Silvia Club of NSW

Seeing if there's interest in Sydney region for some consult interfaces, similar to what some Perth people did over at pga forums. Not trying to take away from sales that would otherwise go to PLMS (see here), but to provide an alternative for those who cant afford their price ($112 delivered w/o software)/want to see it working first/any other reason. Whilst PLMS didnt discover the potential to make a consult interface, theyve made a few good advancements, and devote a lot of their time to helping others out.

If you're not sure what they can do, essentially provides most functionality a consult computer at nissan can do, diagnostics, sensor readings, etc, given appropriate software on the laptop. Theres free software (free version of conzult), but doesnt have all the features (pretty much only shows these values here, but has a couple other sections, such as reading fault codes.).

Have a look at Nissan DataScan page and youll quickly see what the device is capable of. It's currently the best software (aside from the few hundred $ full conzult), but requires you to pay via paypal (ive emailed him asking to change this to direct deposit). Ends up being about $30au via paypal, including paypal fees.

Optional cost is the proper consult plug, at an extra $20. This would mean u would have to be competant in wiring it into the consult plug, or getting some pins to insert into plug. Would have to be cautious about short circuits.

Would there be any interest in this?

Peter

Update: Final price will currently be $60 each, including serial cable and cable to consult (but no consult plug), or $80 including consult plug. Consult plug version should may be available on the 19/12, subject to consult plugs arriving in time (theyve been sent).

Cables can be made to a reasonable length as needed. Box size is 65 x 38 x 27mm. Looks similar to one on the pga forums.

See my latest post in this thread for pics of final unit.

Im after a bare consult capable ecu they would like to swap for one (with cash adjustment if needed)

Want to build one yourself?
For those of you wishing to build one yourself, ive got a list of components that you can find at jaycar, here. Exception being probably the easiest PCB to use, which is from DSE, and the 2.457mhz crystal, which www.wiltronics.com.au have (or you might find a local/specialist electronics shop may have them)

Few differences from the plms schematic i have used in the ones ive made:
1) use of 7805 vreg (1A) rather than the 100ma 78L05, as power usage may sometimes exceed 100ma
2) use smaller resistors for the LED's, otherwise they will be too dim - to work out the size of resistor, its R = (5-V)/I, where V = forward voltage drop of LED (assume most common ones to be 2V), I = nominal forward current of LED (commonly 10-20mA). Smaller resistance = more current, and may blow LED. too much resistance and LED will be too dim. ive got with 150ohms on my latest unit (yet to test), so ive put down 180 to be a bit safer.
3) (havent tested) if you use a 10mhz crystal, refer to the 4060 datasheet on jaycar, but im pretty sure if u use output pin 4 to go to R11 then you will have a 156.25khz clock, which is slightly more than desired 153.6khz, but theoretically its close enough to work fine.
4) capacitors for crystal: 27, 30, or 33pf should all be fine
5) used a diode on the IGN/12v input

Thats all i can think of right now. Good luck

hell yeah, up for it ANY time

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updated main post. nearly finished the first unit (of final design) - however im unsure of the length desired for the cables. if anyone is reasonably sure they intend to buy one, work out the desired lengths and let me know, and ill make the first one up to those lengths.

im in the blacktown area, will be pickup only at this stage, so keep that in mind. can demo software if able to hook it up to your consult port ok, but you will need to buy (nissan datascan) or download (free conzult) the software you intend to use on your own laptop.

if your laptop doesnt have a serial port, youll need a serial-usb converter. plms found that this converter (http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html) is the only one that seems to work flawlessly with it - mine doesnt, but only cost like $20 (it reboots my laptop now and then, not enough to spend more money on another though)

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i'd b interested... but aside from connecting it to the ECU via the consult plug, how would you connect it? do you have to use the wires and just stick them through to the port holes?

yeh you could do that. some people just jam the wires down the back of the consult port, others insert them in (as if they were the pins on the plug - if u could track down pins that fit nicely (shouldnt be too hard) then u could just solder pins on the end, insert the pins in, then tape it up

if u can track down a loom connector from a n14 pulsar, its similar size and if u extend the pins, can plug into the consult port. but i dont know much about that, just heard it can be done

if people would be prepared to pay another 20-25$ (80-85 depending on numbers), i could probably get a hold of the proper consult connectors, but i really dont know what everyons preference is?

Let me make sure I understand this correctly. The boys at PLMS developments in Adelaide have designed this interface and provide schematics for those who want to build their own. If you go this route, they ask for nothing in return. If you can't build your own, they will provide you with a completely assembled unit which has been tested and includes a consult connector for $100-

Now, NewKleer comes along and offers to copy their design and build them for people and charge $60- without a consult plug or $85- with one.

His total input and contribution to this project has been zero, yet it seems that he has no issue with white-anting these blokes. NewKleer's price is only a lousy $15- less than that from PLMS. From this, it seems obvious that the boys from PLMS aren't making much out of it, so why do you want to harm them ? These people have put in the hard yards and done the development work, so why can't they make a few dollars from it? It's not as though they would be buying new cars from the profits.

Guy's, doing stuff like this is not a good way to see other products desgined or developed. Think about what you are doing and the message this sends to other people who may be considering the development of a product you might like to see. Actions like this does not encourage people to design, develop and produce low-cost product.

First of all, plms didnt do all the design of the interface from scratch, other people discovered the protocol and made circuits, and many people furthered that. What they did do though is made public most of the work theyve done, but to say everything to do with the consult interface idea was their original work is incorrect.

At no stage have I tried to convince anyone that they should buy one from me rather than plms - there units are better quality, and id encourage anyone who wants to buy through them to go ahead, i have no problems with that at all.

If you think plms arent making that much (and they arent) then think about how much money im (not) making for selling it for $60 - the components alone are up to $40 depending where you get them from. Add to that the assemble it, and then any testing and eventually showing it working to whoever wishes to buy one is currently about a 6 hour job. $20 for a 6 hour job? For 6 hours work i could be making $120 in my current job. To try and say im just ripping off someone elses idea (which isnt their original idea to start with...) in order to make some money is quite insulting.

The reasons i am doing it:

Im making it available for Sydney people, who, funnily enough, dont live in Adelaide, and cant see the plms one working first hand.

PLMS dont have that much time, and often run out of supplies/interfaces - to say they are struggling for "business" if u call this that is quite stupid.

Given the above two, a lot of people dont have a clue when it comes to such things, and therefore would not be able to make one themselves (or do it in a reasonable amount of time. If plms are out of stock, then they have no where to get one from.

Much in the same spirit plms are providing them, im doing it to help others. If you can get it thru plms, and are happy doing so, i encourage you to. But to blindly assume plms discovered this whole consult protocol and everything is their original work is just showing your naivity and stupidity. Im simply providing another option for those who cant go with plms, for one reason or another.

But i guess, seeing as though you automatically assumed i simply took 5 minutes to rip off someone else in some extraordinay plot to make my first million, i dont expect youll change those assumptions too easily. No skin off my back.

Isn't it more expensive to get it shopped from adelaide anyway, personally i wouldnt give a rats ass where it came from, as long as it works, and is at a resaonable price. I dont think PLMS copyrighted the thing so there really is no harm done.

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$112 delivered (without datascan software) from plms.

ive updated the main post with info for those who were keen to make one themselves. nearly everything can be obtained at jaycar, except the crystal (and perhaps pcb). size of box, led's, and pcb is up to you, i provided an example in the component list.

if i can reliably get the consult connectors from japan (ie without them being lost) then i can probably do the unit with consult connector for $75, but no promises. in a way i think this is now preferable unless u definitely know u dont need one, as it will save a lot of time for installation and problems with wires falling out, inserting wrong ones, etc.

First unit completed and tested today, cable length is 170cm for cable to consult port, and 60cm for serial cable. Available now for anyone who doesnt require a consult connector.




Consult connectors should be available in a couple of weeks. 1 unit with consult port reserved for fwost. Main post updated.

The testbox i made earlier (see here) is also available without consult plug for $40. Has no power led and it has removable connectors (taped up for protection as in photos), and a larger box, which were the main things changed for final one. Cable lengths of 160cm to consult port and 50cm serial cable.