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xris - Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:37 am
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Thats right fokes my ca18 is finally back up and running. its off to get a tune up on friday, should have it back on saturday to run it in cant wait!

cheers

neil

heres a pic before i bolted everything in

mokompri - Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:32 am
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damn you have some serious patience, i would be balding by now !

well done, heres hoping it pulls some nice numbers.

Nebuchernezzer - Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:49 am
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Longest build evah.
Hope it all goes good for you and you can actually enjoy driving it instead

too_much_boost - Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:27 pm
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With the amount of time and money taken by this engine build, i'd expect no less that 300rwkw

xris - Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:33 pm
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yeh im hoping for something rediculas

engine should be able to handle whatever the turbo can out put

DumHed - Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:37 pm
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go at least 9 or 10psi!

xris - Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:42 pm
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we'll see saturday what it makes.... will keep u guys updated. even if it makes 260kw i'll be happy nice complete package built by myself.

dattodude - Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:16 pm
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Good work! I've been waiting for you to post up your 'it's alive' messages.

Can't wait to hear all about it. Try to run a decent boost level 10-12psi to excite us with some reasonably big numbers.

This thread is on my watchlist

cypher1024 - Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:19 am
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Oh dear...

It's good to hear it's finally together man.

BT - Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:13 am
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How long to we give it to hold together?

Just jokes man, congrats on finishing and let's hope for may K's screaming around the track.

DumHed - Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:01 am
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I put a dollar on it making 160rwkw!

xris - Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:11 pm
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lol guarantee 160kw

DumHed - Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:16 pm
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I mean 160 max

CAs love 160!

xris - Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:28 pm
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haha dumhead your so full of shit. my old setup was able to output that much (Stock head and a t28). come down here to melbourne i know of a number of cars with over 200kw@rw coming out of sams workshop (dr_drift).

xris - Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:36 pm
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so your saying riskings setup only outputed that much?

for those who dont know me heres the engine specs

ACL 40thou oversized forged pistons
ACL Rings
ACL Race Bearings Main
ACL Race Bearings Rods
ARP Main Studs
ARP Head Studs
ARP Rod Bolts
ARP Flywheel Bolts
ART Forged Rods
New Nissan Oil Pump
Port and Polished Head
Butterflys and rod removed from intake runners
Custom Intake plenum
XF Throttle Body
Sard Lime 800cc Twin Jet Injectors
Custom Stainless 1mm oversized Exhaust Valves
Tomei Valve Springs
Tomei Solid Lifter Kit
Tomei Shims + Custom Shims
Tomei 270 x 9.25mm Cams
JUN Titanium Valve Retainers
JUN Bronze Race Valve Guides
Trust Exhaust Manifold
Trust 48mm External Wastegate
TD06-20g Turbo - Flo'd and Back cut wheel (Larger Garrett internals)
Trust Type R Bov
Trust/Greddy Oil Catch Can
Trust/Greddy Radiator Cap
Gates Racing Timing Belt
K&N Pod Filter
Billet Steel Lightened Flywheel
Xtreme extra heavy duty clutch
PWR R32 GTR Radiator
ARE Radiator Overflow Container
Hybrid FMIC
Custom Cooler kit
JJ Oil cooler and Relocator Kit
Nismo Engine Mounts
Nismo Gearbox Mount
Bosch External Coilpacks
Hurricane Custom Spark Leads
Microtech LT10S
Microtech Ignitor
Malpassi Rising Rate Fuel Regulator
2 3/4" exhaust Straight through (has cat)
Denso 500hp intank Fuel Pump

DumHed - Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:04 pm
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the most anyone of us saw of risking's one was about 160

There were various other built CAs that made the same sort of power too.

182Go - Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:08 pm
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xris wrote:

we'll see saturday what it makes.... will keep u guys updated. even if it makes 260kw i'll be happy nice complete package built by myself.

I think 260 is a bit optimistic for the parts listed on the previous page.

xris - Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:34 pm
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ahahaha. ok. so a ca with 264cams and a td06-19c turbo with 550cc injectors and a fmic can pump out 224kw@rw on stock internals (simon lives in bathurst). i dare say 260 will be reached with the amount of extra mods i have and porting etc but i guess you know what your talking about hey. im just the guy that spent the last 2 or so years researching and building this engine.

182Go - Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:57 pm
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ahahaha. ok. so a ca with 254cams and a td06-19c turbo with 440cc injectors and a fmic can pump out 242kw@rw on stock internals (simon lives in bathurst). i dare say 260 will be reached with the amount of extra mods i have and porting etc but i guess you know what your talking about hey. im just the guy that spent the last 2 or so years researching and building this engine.

Well when TMB makes 264rwkw with 20 odd PSI on an SR20 with a fuel addative, I would be inclinded to say it is no walk in the park.

I am putting a GT3076R on my SR20 with Tomei 270 cams 12.5mm lift and port work and I don't expect much over 260rwkw.

Wasn't saying it cant be done, just that it was optimistic...

mokompri - Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:06 pm
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182Go wrote:

I am putting a GT3076R on my SR20 with Tomei 270 cams 12.5mm lift and port work and I don't expect much over 260rwkw.

i would cry if my SR with that turbo only made 260rwkw

btw TMB's turbo is too small to make much more then that.

Chanboy - Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:07 pm
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no point in arguing... lets just let the dyno sheets do the talking. if he gets 260kw - well he can say I told you so.

Neil hope you do make that number, it will be small reward for the work put into this thing. and if you don't who friggen cares, just enjoy driving it.

-Dan

PS - the pics don't work on your website dude

182Go - Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:20 pm
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mokompri wrote:

182Go wrote:

I am putting a GT3076R on my SR20 with Tomei 270 cams 12.5mm lift and port work and I don't expect much over 260rwkw.

i would cry if my SR with that turbo only made 260rwkw

btw TMB's turbo is too small to make much more then that.

And thats why I'm ditching my GT2871R, I should be able to make the same numbers with a lot less effort on the turbo. I looked at the dyno sheet from the Uniogroup dyno day and it peaks at around 24 psi but tapers down to about 19.

Chanboy wrote:

Without a doubt the dyno stops all speculation. I hope for his sake he makes the number he wants but I still think it is a big ask.

xris - Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:32 pm
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danny yeh the website is old and i havent updated it in ages. heres a pic i just took of the car

im just finishing off the wiring of the type x rear lights atm then its off to dalton automotive to get it tuned

Chanboy - Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:35 pm
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don't you have to run the motor in before you rev the sh1t out of it on the dyno? car is pretty btw...

BT - Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:36 pm
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That's some serious VIP style stretched rubber you've got there!

182Go - Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:43 pm
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Can see some serious effort put in there.. just curious what is that next to the intercooler (where the std intercooler goes)?

BT - Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:46 pm
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Oil cooler?

182Go - Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:47 pm
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BT wrote:

Oil cooler?

Yeah might be he is running a manual so it wont be a trans cooler.

xris - Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:13 pm
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lol yeh its an oil cooler.

xris - Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:15 am
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car has been dropped off at dalton automotive to get the final work finished up on it (he didnt get to finish off his wiring last time when the engine went) should have it back wednesday (i pointed out a few things he needs to check etc). keep you guys updated on its outputs.

da12nv - Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:19 am
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good luck mate, waiting to see the results

Chanboy - Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:38 pm
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how did the tune go dude?

xris - Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:59 pm
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im still waiting on getting it back. i'll give him a ring now to see how hes going.

xris - Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:07 pm
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he said hes taking his time doing it and will have it finished to be picked up tomorrow afternoon

Chanboy - Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:08 pm
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What sort of tune have you asked him to do? He didn't even give you any hints? gawddamnit!

xris - Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:13 pm
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haha nar we had a talk awhile ago he said hes going to run it in abit on the rollers for me so i dont have to do so many km's on the road. hes fixed up a couple of other problems with the car as well.
And no hes given me no hints, he himself said he doesnt know what to expect

Prince Chiba - Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:04 am
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hey! nice colour

xris - Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:49 pm
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thanks

just got word wont have it back until monday, taking longer to tune it than he thought.

but the engines all good so i cant wait to get it back. no point in rushing him

Side_On - Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:46 pm
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Your are a psycho.

Ive been waiting to see the result on this thing for ages also~!

goodluck neil.

Car looks gud to !

dattodude - Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:38 pm
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ok..it's monday..what's the news ?

mrsil80 - Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:37 pm
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lol i think i saw both those cars in ryde - i would have stopped however i was late getting out to work so i was in a "cant stop for coffee" state, but it looked really great (only saw left side and rear briefly) too bad the engines were off so i didnt hear the mighty lion roar but those are both great looking cars!

xris - Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:13 am
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hey cheers for that but both cars are in melbourne

update, spring on wastegate is stuffed and is only holding 6psi, being replaced this morning they had to stop as in the shed it was over 34degrees yesterday and next door couldnt hear his phone ring

lol so hes finishing it off today

dumhead your guess was pretty close its made 120kw@6psi atm hahahahaha oh thats at 5000rpm

and he said boost comes on hard and hes working on responce atm(hes pretty happy with how its going, its good when the tuner sounds excited!), putting a 15psi spring in it today so should see some descent figures come out this arvo (temp today is going to be 36degrees

so hope i get it back tonight.)

dattodude - Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:21 pm
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It's night time already!

...and the survey said?

And for those not on the same page, I'm running a very similar CA18 setup. I get my solid cam shims delivered end of this week. Xris's got bigger exhaust valves, and I'm running Autronic, but it's all pretty similar in regards to most other internals. So it will be an interesting comparison. I'll be able to report on mine in the next month or so.

xris - Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:10 am
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lol. still not done. it was over 36degrees down here yesterday. its now going to be a top of 20. should have it today forsure. i'll post more when i know more info.

Just rang him. mid day tomorrow grrr, hopefully ready to pick up tomorrow night hopefully

Just want it back/

dattodude - Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:24 pm
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The wait is killin me

I was going to post something this morning...but held off.

ZEi250t - Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:26 pm
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maybe it blew up and he is just stalling for time

Magnet - Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:42 pm
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maybe he only made 150 and is havig trouble changing the scale of the graph

xris - Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:43 am
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just think how i feel, i get told two days ago that it would be ready, wait for the call nothing, ring up not finished. apparently theyve been busy and one of the guys is off sick. its strapped down on the dyno (as of lastnight 4pm) and its holding 14psi (i asked can you tell me what power it made and the guy said no you'll have to wait! ahhhhh!) so yeh should be finished today (sounding like a broken record saying that, but i wont be able to pick it up until tomorrow morning grrr). i'll let you know when i find out what its making.

im only going to be running 14psi until i get a boost controller.

Chanboy - Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:46 am
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begining to think this car is a myth... one of those forum urban legends... hahaha. kick the workshop up the arse mate... god knows how much you are paying them... and hopefully not by the hour.

xris - Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:52 am
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nar chris looks after us my brother spent about 4 hours on the dyno cost him $68 haha.

ive already spent $3000 last time i was there getting the ecu installed wired and for me to take home a blown engine

so yeh it feels like an urban legend haha im goign to cry if i dont get it back tomorrow.

shadowR - Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:01 pm
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Hope you get it back tomoro bro lolz.

most people who build schmick cars spend more time actualy building them than driving them

sad circumstance......

if you get it back tomorow you should have the run in tune output.. right?

if so, how long do you intend to run it in for and when will we know the final output?

i dare say this cars going to damage Many egos

Goodluck~

xris - Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:37 pm
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went down there today and hes shut

so wont be until next week. im going to get a bleed valve and hook that up and run something like 18-20psi as the 14psi spring isnt holding for some reason (only holding 10psi but holds it stready just wont hold anymore

)

i'll update the thread when i know more. not going to give a time as its already blown out 2 weeks

badhairdave - Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:09 pm
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I think your thread title is a bit of a tease

dattodude - Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:19 pm
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It's still not alive??

Sorry.. couldn't help myself... I think about your dyno results daily.

DumHed - Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:42 pm
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I think about driving instead

xris - Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:27 am
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lol yeh well um wastegate spring has been replaced again to a 17psi spring (wastegate has been checked for leaks etc but there arent any) chris was supposed to be calling me yesterday.

Ive sort of had enough of waiting, need to get it back with a descent tune then i can run it in take it elsewhere and get a final tune done on it (with descent boost 20psi~ so i can post a descent figure)not much left to wait for as hes almost finished now (told him he can rev it out as far as he wants to <9000rpm).

BT - Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:30 am
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Why do you need two places to get it tuned? Aren't you happy with how things are going at the current tuner?

xris - Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:34 am
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hes just taking too long. i trust him as he tunes my brothers rotary, he just doesnt seem so clued up on a piston based engines (hes a rotary shop). i think the fact that they go up and down is confusing him hahahaha, will see how he goes though then i'll make my descision then.

182Go - Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:49 am
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What ECU are you running? I think I would base my tuner based on the ECU.

xris - Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:54 am
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im running a microtech lt10s (and thats another reason why i went to chris dalton)

182Go - Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:58 pm
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Have you got a result yet? I am starting to think that he has blown it up and is just stalling for time, no one should take that long to tune it.

DumHed - Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:00 pm
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nah you can't blow up a CA

xris - Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:20 pm
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hey guys im not going to bullshit you. having some issues with it still. somethings amiss with it not making correct power. im yet to get the car back or see a dyno chart (tuner isnt finished doing the top end tune on it or touch the cam timing) its making roughly 170kw@14psi @ 7500 (he hasnt reved it past 7500 yet ive told him to rev it to 8500 hahaha) (yes wtf you say

me too.) engine is fine nothing wrong there had a problem with the thermostat pulsating so hes removed that for the moment to finish tuning it.

not sure what could be the problem with it atm (i know what your going to say "yes i realise its a ca") but hopefully it can be ironed out (the issue with power etc) had problems with the gate holding enough boost. tune is not complete so that is not the final figure,

I dont want this to turn into a Dumhead i told you so thread (ive past the assumed power of what he said it would hit max

)

im going to go down there tomorrow morning and check things out to see the graph and to see what needs to be done to make some descent power out of it (may need my boost controller installed on it as im pretty sure the turbo is not in its efficiency range yet).

alittle disheartened with this project. (could have saved the cash and run my original setup and made the same power grrr

but tuning isnt complete yet so will have to see shorty.

cheers
neil

DumHed - Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:30 pm
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xris wrote:

I dont want this to turn into a Dumhead i told you so thread (ive past the assumed power of what he said it would hit max

)

(could have saved the cash and run my original setup and made the same power grrr

hey that's still within normal dyno error margin of 160

Nah there's no fundamental reason why the engine wouldn't make the power, so I'd say it's just a matter of getting the tune right (including the cam timing!).

They're always going to be a slightly difficult engine to tune properly though due to things like the fact that fuel is only injected into one intake port on each cylinder so you get funny AFR variations in the chamber, etc.
Maybe it's worth doing an 8 injector setup, or moving the injectors further out along the intake runners?

As for the dollars, even if it makes 400rwkw I'll still be making some sort of nasty comment about that

Risking - Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:32 pm
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170@14 is pretty much spot on. I wouldn't be holding my breath for much more at that boost if I were you.

xris - Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:41 pm
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risking how would it only make 170kw@14psi simons car made 200kw+@15psi on a td06-19c (smaller than the td06-20g) ?

yeh wait and see i guess :S

DumHed - Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:45 pm
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maybe it was a magic psi?

xris - Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:49 pm
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hahahaha. sam (dr_drift) tuned it (simons car). (who im mates with) even he said it should be making alot more than what it currently is. grrr could have got this pissy power with the t28 440cc injectors a remap and a z32 afm. shit.

182Go - Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:00 pm
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It's horrible when you don't get the power you expect, especially when you have gone to so much trouble. Guess that is why I set my expectations low and would rather be plesantly suprised.

Chanboy - Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:02 pm
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nearly time to give it up dude? conceed defeat and admit what everyone has been telling you?

xris - Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:08 pm
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no damit i wont do that.

found what the problem is with it. cam timing is way out (cheap custom cam gears havent helped so stock ones are going back on for now). cat may be blocked. should have more updates shortly. cat is getting a piece of 3" pipe hehe and the timing will be sorted.

dattodude - Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:36 pm
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Yeee Haa

We might get ourselves a CA miracle yet!

Side_On - Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:45 pm
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What has everyone been telling him?

Lol such stupid negativity.

Take another week or 2, i still got faith in this project.

BHAPPY - Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:49 pm
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hmmm.. 170rwkw at 14psi.. thats a pretty poor effort

My car makes 190rwkw at 8 psi and yes its a SR20DET what more do I need to say? NOTHING

shadowR - Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:08 pm
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bhappy you are a pretty poor effort.

having such a mega powerfull bs sr20 (omfg redtop ohh yessss) you must have been there when it was tuned etc.

im guessing it made sweet f all when they first started tunning it didnt it

then slowly rose till u got ur million kw @ no psi.

in due time the creases in this project will get ironed out, im sure of it.

xris - Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:12 am
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cheers for the support. got to remember this is 100% fresh engine, and i built it myself. so youve got to expect some form of tuning issues (just fine tuning really, everything is fine. comp was down on all cylinders 70,70,70,70 and its making 170kw cam timing is out so once thats sorted and the cat is removed we should see some descent figures.)

182Go - Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:59 am
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BHAPPY wrote:

hmmm.. 170rwkw at 14psi.. thats a pretty poor effort

My car makes 190rwkw at 8 psi and yes its a SR20DET what more do I need to say? NOTHING

I call bullshit...

hang in there Xris...

xris - Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:23 am
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well all i can say is FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fucking ca's i hate them. Im making 170kw out of 2cylinders yep thats right number 1 and 4 are about 50psi each. head is coming off on monday, pulling the pistons out and checking the rings and bores. im no longer going to do any work on the engine seems like i have a death touch. Will find out on monday if i have ovaled bores (doubt it). think its glazed or somehow i screwed the rings up (i dont think so but hey i double and tripple checked them and reput them on twice). dunno but will find out on monday when they pull the head off.

i have now killed 4 ca's 3 in workshops 1 thrashing (the one thrashing was the stock engine which lasted 2 years haha).

oh well. just looks like it will be back up and running by christmas.

BT - Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:26 am
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xris wrote:

fucking ca's i hate them.

Never thought i'd be putting those words into a quote from you.

Sorry to hear mate, I hope you get to the bottom of it all on Monday and the damage isn't too bad.

It takes guts to tell everyone how it is on this forum amongst all the haters too.

DumHed - Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:43 am
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hey those words were said many years ago, in a thread where xris said he was going to put an SR in.
I'm not sure what happened from then on

Either way, that sucks to hear!

There is a certain art to engine building, which is why it tends to be a very long and expensive process to learn. Even the pros get it wrong (way too frequently!) which is why I'm a bit of a fan of using decent condition second hand standard engines rather than rebuilt ones!

If the cam timing was way out you may have bent some valves, which could explain the low compression (more likely than any major bore related issue, unless you really messed up on the rings or sizing!)

mokompri - Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:47 am
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BHAPPY wrote:

My car makes 190rwkw at 8 psi and yes its a SR20DET what more do I need to say? NOTHING

maybe you need to say you have a boost gauge on crack juice ! theres no way your sr20 is making 190rwkw on 8psi, thats happy land numbers

bad luck dude, it will be important to find out the cause of the problem so that it doesnt happen again.

DumHed - Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:03 am
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the 190rwkw at 8psi car has a 3037 and lots of other stuff.
It also doesn't have boost till about 5000

oRiCLe - Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:34 am
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mokompri wrote:

BHAPPY wrote:

My car makes 190rwkw at 8 psi and yes its a SR20DET what more do I need to say? NOTHING

my mates sr20, stock with mild cams (prolly step1) and a 2840 turbo makes 180+rwkw on 10psi...stock computer only limit is its maxxing out stock injectors...boosting pretty much off idle...

QIK513 - Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:43 am
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yep oricles right i gots the dyno sheet to prove it too

it made 179 on 9 psi and 189.4 on 11.5 psi

.... i give the good numbers to the quality of the install and setup completed by the guys from hilarious motorsport (shameless plug)

oRiCLe - Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:45 am
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yeh but definately hope to see u get the CA running properly!

looks like u've put alot of work into it!

182Go - Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:45 am
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There is no doubt there are those engines that perform better than average but he is claiming another 10rwkw with 2 psi less boost. I think it is time he invested in a new boost gauge.

Sorry to hear about your bad luch xris. Did you bore and hone the engine during the rebuild?

Nebuchernezzer - Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:55 am
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Holy crap!
And i thought the saga was nearing it's end!
Bad news

Hope it's somthing that doesn't require to much time/money to fix.

xris - Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:56 pm
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yeh hahhaa i said it awhile back like dumhead said yeh i have moments of madness where the easier sr20 path looks like the best choice. but i do things the hard way and im almost finished so hell why not just keep emptying money into this little bitch.

I'll keep going with it and get it running. hopefully valves arent bent as i'll be mega pissed (cost more than rings to replace haha bloody custom valves lol) pretty sure its not head as comp test came back with increase in compression when oil was put in.

i dont think the engine building was the problem at all. i made sure everything was perfect as i didnt want what has happened to happen again

but it did. this time it wasnt oil line problems. oil pump is good, oil pressure is there everything is good so it can only be something simple like rings (better not have scored the bore grrrr or its new block time (i have a spare lucky!) lol. oh well like i said monday/next week will reveal all. tempted to just tell him to dump a 13b in it

hehe

block was bored out to fit the pistons i used. they fit very well.

oRiCLe - Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:03 pm
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xris wrote:

hehe u and 182GO should team up

j/k

DumHed - Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:08 pm
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xris wrote:

i have moments of smart where the easier sr20 path looks like the best choice.

tempted to just tell him to dump a 13b in it

hehe

you really do like to do things the hard way don't you?

The reason the SR is popular is because it's damn good!

mokompri - Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:22 pm
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DumHed wrote:

the 190rwkw at 8psi car has a 3037 and lots of other stuff.
It also doesn't have boost till about 5000

i retract my statement i thought it was stock turbo

xris - Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:40 pm
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DumHed wrote:

xris wrote:

i have moments of smart where the easier sr20 path looks like the best choice.

tempted to just tell him to dump a 13b in it

hehe

you really do like to do things the hard way don't you?

The reason the SR is popular is because it's damn good!

lol ive never said it isnt a good engine. just wanted to go a different path than most people i know.

182Go - Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:43 pm
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oRiCLe wrote:

xris wrote:

hehe u and 182GO should team up

j/k

hahaha I was waiting for someone to draw the comarision

DumHed - Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:44 pm
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have you thought about seeing a psychiatrist?

xris - Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:55 pm
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yes but for other reasons

lol nar the only thing i find relaxing is working on the car. i much preffer working on cars than doing my IT work i do here. almost time for a career change i think. (and get paid to kill i mean build engines. hahahahahahaha)

DumHed - Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:02 pm
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Just don't put "4+ years experience building a CA18 engine" on your resume

182Go - Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:03 pm
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I blame it on the cartoons I saw as a kid, it was that bloody auto cat and motor mouse that had me believing that it was normal to have a v8 in a motorbike and a quad blown v8 to try catch the mouse.

xris - Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:04 pm
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hahaha, ive helped build a few sr20's as well since i started on my ca, i helped build my mates ca also but yeh specialising in modifying my ca to a point where it wont go.

182Go - Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:25 pm
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Does the pressure build up if you keep cranking or stay flat?

xris - Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:27 pm
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who knows. hes told me that its a waste of his time just keeping at it. cylinders are down so off with its head and out with the motor :S

182Go - Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:36 pm
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xris wrote:

who knows. hes told me that its a waste of his time just keeping at it. cylinders are down so off with its head and out with the motor :S

If the reading increases with cranking it may indicate leak down, where as if it stays flat you might be looking at timing or valve seating. Would be nice to know before ripping the head off.

xris - Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:40 pm
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funny thing is he did a chemical leaked down test on it and it came back fine hmmmm

mokompri - Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:05 pm
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maybe hes wrong. if its so stuffed, im surprised it made 170rwkw

182Go - Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:18 pm
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xris wrote:

funny thing is he did a chemical leaked down test on it and it came back fine hmmmm

The most reliable way is compressed air and the two gauges.

xris - Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:21 pm
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better safe than sorry i guess though. he doesnt charge me by the hour hes taking his time doing it in between other jobs so hes helped me and my brother out abit (reran my brothers car on the dyno for a few hours and didnt charge him plus gave him some new leads as his other ones were shorting out.).

JayS14 - Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:57 pm
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xris, sux dude I feel sorry for you no body likes hearing about this sort of stuff happening (evan to CA's

) I hope it all works out for you this time and it's nothing to big and bad.

shadowR wrote:

then slowly rose till u got ur million kw @ no psi.

in due time the creases in this project will get ironed out, im sure of it.

Fuck your a tool Why dont you get over your self.

All you do is come on here and be bitter at every one with silvia's

Fuck dude its a silvia forum, deal with it or go some where else.

Risking - Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:52 pm
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your persiatant ill give you that, smart id probably say not but each to their own.

Seriously why are you wasting more time and money on it??

Im not saying it from a bias point im saying it from a financial point!!!
Im not even bias towards the SR anymore, Give me an RB26 anyday of the week. 290Kw @ 14psi is way to easy!

Suely regardless of how much money you have common sense will prevail eventually.

Serial Killa - Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:15 pm
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Risking wrote:

Stop stirrin shit Brad, RB boy!! haha

Nah seriously, they day you yanked my CA out was the day I never looked back!

shadowR - Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:53 am
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DumHed wrote:

There is a certain art to engine building, which is why it tends to be a very long and expensive process to learn. Even the pros get it wrong (way too frequently!) which is why I'm a bit of a fan of using decent condition second hand standard engines rather than rebuilt ones!

i wanted to say days ago that you may have just not put together a good engine.......... my planned reply was that engines arent lego... lol...

i didnt say it because i didnt know what experience u had building engines and i didnt wana bring you down ontop of that.... although as dumhed said theres an art to building these things.... and a working 2nd hander is often the best way out....

people charge bucketloads to put together a good engine..... was it not razor who chucked in his CA because his motor was put together wrong? no offense to anyone whos spent all their time on an engine for it to fail and them to move on but this is often the case IMO.

and jays14.... if you think its ok to bring others down with crumby comments like wat was said.. perhaps it is you who should go someplace else. and mate....... 4 of my close friends have s13s.... and another has an s14.... so i got no idea wat ur on about,

back to the topic.

i cant say where id go from here...... hard topic. stick it out tho...........

jay.

Nismodified - Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:24 am
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I am not going to fucking tolerate any other posts except ones that only concern xris's car only.

I dont give two flying fucks who is saying what about anything else, everymans two cents is worth nothing to me.

Everyone get over it or get a warning.

Xris, the path to true enlightment is never an easy one, but the end result will outshine all else into insignificance.

Arkhaeon - Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:04 am
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Nismodified wrote:

Xris, the path to true enlightment is never an easy one, but the end result will outshine all else into insignificance.

So in order to be truly happy, we need more chrome?

diablo - Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:16 am
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I take it before you cranked the motor with the starter you ran it over a few times by hand with a socket on the front pulley and no plugs in....? If it turned okay I doubt you've damaged any valves, and usually if you can do this the valve timing is close. You tend to find it would have done all valves or none at all, if you are reading low on two cylinders only I'd be looking elsewhere.

Keep persevering mate. I had a motor I built once and someone else did the install as I was short of time. I got the car and tried for 2 days to get it started. Everything goes through your mind about what was wrong. Eventually I said fuck it, the motors got to come back out. I've never built an engine wrong in my life, I'm so careful when doing them. When I took the inlet manifold off I found the problem, the 4 plastic anti dirt bungs were still in

Matey who put the inlet manifold on forgot to take them out!

Cheers,
Rich

xris - Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:18 pm
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diablo. yeh i made sure at every step of the way that the engine turned over by hand. i made sure everything was well lubricated before i turned everything. everything was fine as far as i could see. everything was in spec, torqued correctly etc. the oil is still clean as i checked it when i went down there last week (as there was an oil leak so i was pissed off. ended up being the rocker covers needed retightening because the seals were new). so yeh if the bottom end was fucked (rings) wouldnt the oil be black and smell like fuel?!?!

im not a stupid person brad lol far from it. i am however persistant. and i have nothing but time to get this done (rather get it done in the least amount of time possible). I like the look of my setup. its unique no other ca is the same as mine.

The whole point behind building my car was to build a nuts japanese spec fully built crazy street car. which once the engine is running i have done. money is not of concern with this. i am single i have nothing else to spend my money on why not spend it on something that looks as good as this

dont worry the engine will be done in no time. its not up to me anymore (working at night or on weekends).

dattodude - Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:50 pm
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Dude...you're killing me. I would have flipped out if my rebuild turned up compression numbers like that. I put my shims and solid 270/9.25 cams in this morning, and the car runs as smooth as. Thanks for the tip to get the shims from Precision shims. I'll organise a dyno tune for mine in the next week or two. Even without a tune, my car is breaking traction during gears.

I really wish you luck in getting the engine up and running soon!!

Cheers,
Chris

shadowR - Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:47 pm
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Nismodified, i didnt know you were so poetic... LOL

but thats a good line and i second it.

xris, wat are those compression numbers about? were you expecting it to be so low?

and is that normal? + what compression ratio did u rebuild the motor with?

just seems odd to me.....

xris - Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:44 am
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yeh im past the point of being disapointed by failures with this engine, cant remember what the final compression ratio was off the top of my head past caring. i'll see if i can find it. hopefully wont be much longer now. fingers crossed i have a good christmas, because ive had the shitest year ever across all boards.

Chanboy - Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:14 am
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is it dead mate? can we have a cremation?

182Go - Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:31 pm
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Did you muck with the cams at all? maybe if the valves were riding slighly it could account for poor cylinder pressures...

dattodude - Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:46 am
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How's the resurrection going?

I hope to hear some more updates soon!

dattodude - Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:20 pm
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Hey Niel, what's the news ?

Just letting you know I'm still sending good 'fellow CA18 owner' vibes your way regularly.

Cheers,
Chris

xris - Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:44 pm
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hey

good news its being put back in the car atm (should be on the dyno today/tomorrow) found out what the problems were.

Shims were incorrect (i just used the measuring shims stupid me! hahaha)
Head guy didnt machine the head out to fit the larger valves so none of the valves were seated (exhaust) grrrr

)

so the heads been fixed reshimed (cold clearences have been set the same as gtr

)
Valves have been seated in the head
Bottom end had a rehone and new bearings were put in,

it has now been rebuilt, put a new metal head gasket on also (yes i had a tomei one but he wanted a new one just in case?! lol oh well )

So yes the engine is all fixed, was due to me and the head guy being incompitent. Im yet to see the bill to fix the problems

but i guess it will be worth it shortly.

Should be on the dyno tomorrow (so he told me last tuesday when they got the head back as the bottom end was already built).

i'll update you when i hear anything.

DumHed - Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:14 pm
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tick tick tick tick

ZEi250t - Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:17 pm
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i think you mean

CA-boom!

xris - Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:31 pm
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good things come to those that wait.

on a side note dr drift has had one of his cars push out 285kw (ca with less mods than mine with a stupidly large T70 turbo on it) with it backing off at 6500rpm needs larger injectors as the 600cc's were maxed. hes had that running 250kw for the past 18months with standard rods and just forged pistons. so yeh we'll see.

DumHed - Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:43 pm
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yeah we've all been waiting for your CA to work, and we got the good things! w00t!

nah good luck with it

shadowR - Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:49 pm
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lol no wonder it had no compression

!!!! bloody valves...

seems like its starting to look up for u mate, goodluck

dattodude - Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:28 pm
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It's a learning curve hey?

My ECU needs a check up because an injector driver is intermittantly failing.

But my ca18det managed 185kW@8500rpm (@16 or 18psi boost can't remember), with power still climbing at 45 degrees at the 8500rpm ECU redline.

Moved my camwheels to intake=7 deg cam adv, exh=2 deg adv. Should power hard on the next dyno run.

Good Luck dude!

xris - Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:30 am
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with none of my valves machined to fit, and with all the wrong shims in the head (causing valves not to seat properly) and having no cold clearances set i made 170kw@12psi

so yeh im expecting it to give me abit more but not less than that (170kw isnt bad for a completely rooted head setup lol)

I'll give him a call this arvo and see how its coming along.

182Go - Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:40 pm
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182Go wrote:

Did you muck with the cams at all? maybe if the valves were riding slighly it could account for poor cylinder pressures...

Hate to say it dude but I suggested you check that a month ago... oh well better late than never... glad to see it wasn't anything mega expensive.

xris - Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:46 pm
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well technically i didnt mess with the cams, the head guy setup the head for me (which he ripped me on as he did none of the work i was charged for hence why i said no it should be right)

182Go - Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:53 pm
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xris wrote:

well technically i didnt mess with the cams, the head guy setup the head for me (which he ripped me on as he did none of the work i was charged for hence why i said no it should be right)

We live and learn it just sounded like it was riding valves from the description, I have had a couple of cars where they have riden for one reason or another.

i.e a reco holden six head with non adjustable rockers that were outside the scope of adjustment. It just wouldn't run right, finally I decided to back the rocker off so the were loose and the car come good, so I bought some hardened shims and stuck them under the bolts and it was all good.

Look forward to seeing what it can do.

xris - Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:47 pm
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yeh me too

the head tech actually didnt machine the head to fit the 1mm oversized exhaust valves that and the wrong shims made it run with no compression (well almost no compression). im going down tomorrow to the workshop see how things are coming along

Risking - Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:24 pm
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Quote:

Moved my camwheels to intake=7 deg cam adv, exh=2 deg adv. Should power hard on the next dyno run.

Ive never seen an engine respond to advancing both cams let alone by 7 degrees.

ZEi250t - Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:30 pm
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i hear your engines never see the end of a dyno run, or 200kw

Arkhaeon - Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:00 pm
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Brad made 290 all wheel kw on 13psi, and 346awkw with the boost upped.

pwnt n00bert zei

ZEi250t - Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:02 pm
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Arkhaeon wrote:

Brad made 290 all wheel kw on 13psi, and 346awkw with the boost upped.

pwnt n00bert zei

yeah but he needed 0.6L more displacement, 2 more cylinders and a motor not built by him to do it

182Go - Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:48 am
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xris wrote:

What a knuckle... The exhaust valves will be seated on the very bottom of the valve face and without cutting or changing the seats it would be of no benefit. If anything it would be counter productive because the valve would be more shrouded. I certainly wouldn't use them again.

Risking wrote:

Quote:

Moved my camwheels to intake=7 deg cam adv, exh=2 deg adv. Should power hard on the next dyno run.

Ive never seen an engine respond to advancing both cams let alone by 7 degrees.

Agree... Typically advance the intake and retard the exhaust. 7 degrees seems a bit excessive. How big are the cams?

xris - Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:16 pm
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well i went down there. mechanic started it up and its sounding really good (he said it might have a noisy lifter (couldnt hear it though)) said hes going to comp test it after lunch then chuck it on the dyno to run it in then do some power runs, also said i should have it back by the weekend

182Go - Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:23 pm
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good luck

hopefully finger crossed this is the one that works.

xris - Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:26 pm
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oil pressures all good and it sounded sooo tough (actually sounded like that old video of the hks ca18 you know the yellow one?) cant wait to take it for a spin

Side_On - Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:55 pm
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Make a video and put it on youtube?

xris - Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:23 pm
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i'll make a vid when i go down to pick it up on the weekend.

182Go - Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:31 pm
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xris wrote:

i'll make a vid when i go down to pick it up on the weekend.

Yeah I think Dumhed will need proof it made over 160rwkw

DumHed - Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:33 pm
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doesn't matter, if we average the power output over how many years it took to build, it's about the same as a pull-back toy car

xris - Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:51 pm
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its already made 170kw without compression. so yeh i'll have proof soon enough.

Risking - Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:08 pm
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Quote:

yeah but he needed 0.6L more displacement, 2 more cylinders and a motor not built by him to do it

Was rwd only, and there were plenty of guys there that seen it.
Actually the engine was built by me. The original had no sump baffle and was dead within 5 laps at wakefield.
Its just undergone another freshen up and oil mods ready for this years supersprints.

Back on track good to hear its running again xris.

Nismodified - Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:35 pm
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lets keep the off topic pleasentries towards the PM

xris car has been such an epic that i think it should be made into a 3 movie saga

xris - Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:54 am
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Yes really it just fits right at home with my life. i do live a real life Days of our lives. (no matter if you havent tuned in for the past year its still at the same place it was when you left hahahah) that and all the other drama's that surround me yes i could make a few movies lol.

got to call him tonight to see how the power runs went

im hanging out for this arvo...

Chanboy - Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:34 am
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have we contacted the guiness book of records

- longest most painful CA rebuild ever
- longest forum thread about a CA rebuild
- most costly CA rebuild ever?
- most emotionally draining rebuild ever?
- most ammount of patience demonstrated on a rebuild?

What other record are we going for?!?

Good luck with the results tonight dude, hope a zillion kw come your way! (or at least a couple a hundred)

-Dan

Side_On - Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:02 pm
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182Go wrote:

xris wrote:

i'll make a vid when i go down to pick it up on the weekend.

Yeah I think Dumhed will need proof it made over 160rwkw

My CA made 190kw with stuffed coils

Prolly makes boreline 200 now.

It's not hard u no!

cypher1024 - Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:44 pm
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There was a dude at unigroup yesterday with a 200+kw (claimed) CA18 in a datto. We had to leave before he got on the rollers though.

182Go - Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:53 pm
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xris wrote:

im hanging out for this arvo...

More like back to the future... we go forwards... we go backwards... we go forwards... we go backwards...

dattodude - Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:11 pm
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Yeah Cypher, a fella named Andrew from Mudgee owns that. He ended up with ignition breakdown and didn't post anything great. Says it's running ok, but has some sort of electrical problem. He'll sort it out and be able to tell more in next couple of weeks.

EDIT:
Yeah, I'm running 270/9.25 in/ex cams w/ solid lifters. The power curve was rising at 45 degrees right through 7000revs until the 8500rpm redline, where we expect it continued to rise.

cypher1024 - Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:37 pm
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dattodude wrote:

That's the guy! Top bloke, and a very quick car (when it's all working). It sounds like the curse of the Bosch coils strikes again unfortunately. What's worse is he has to travel three hours to get to unigroup each time he goes

182Go - Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:34 am
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Is no news bad news?

xris - Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:22 am
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lol nar no news is good news (with garry ganoo)

went down on friday it was sitting on the dyno ready to go (weather was too hot to finish it on the weekend) so this week its been run in, and had some light power runs. over the last couple of days its been run at full power (15psi (im only using the wastegate to control boost atm will get a boost controller in the near future to get some descent figures). im going to give him a ring now and see (as i spoke to him 2 days ago now :S)

xris - Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:19 am
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haha all the haters and doubters please stfu

i could have gone for 200kw like everyone else has but no i didnt want to do it the "easy way". i could have gone an sr20 and had the power with stock internals and 3 houses by now also. i could have stroked the engine to 2ltrs but i didnt, i wanted to build a 1.8ltr engine and thats what ive done.

I wanted to build a complete engine, doing as many mods as possible. I have built a complete car. not just an engine. yes the engine has all the bells and whistles and it is running perfectly (other than a power drain which i can only think is the brant imobiliser (which doesnt work but is still plugged in lol) I have heard it idle and sounds tougher than any ca ive heard (in australia) (my mates ca down here with a td05 and 260 cams sounds almost as good

) (simon if you read this i havent heard your 220kw beast

)

but like i said who gives a fuck what people think. this is my car its been a project and at the end of the day its a fucking tough looking car/engine.

btw chris said hes been too busy to finish running it at full power (double checked with me how much i wanted him to rev it as well lol). he said hes going to call me tonight when i runs it up.

i know i sound like a broken record but my cars being done in his spare time so its not costing me the world.

xris - Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:29 am
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engine in its final state.

BT - Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:37 am
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Glad to hear it's almost 100%! Did you get a power figure yet? I thought that's what you were building to in your post just before.

Chanboy - Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:38 am
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I seem to remember the colour of the car being much more orange... ?!?

wow the little CA is quite compact isn't it - should make for excellent weight distribution...

xris - Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:40 am
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yeh well he said on monday he was going to give me a final power figure but yeh hes been busy, said hes got to build a motor and had to go pick a car up so yeh, ive annoyed him enough now he said he'll call me tonight once he runs it up.

xris - Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:42 am
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yeh like i said the car as well has been modified whilst ive been building it. Sprayed it BMW M3 Phoenix gold.

Chanboy - Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:45 am
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is it the same shell as the orange one? where you had the pod filter sticking out the wheel arch panel?

xris - Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:51 am
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haha yeh danny same car as ive always had, guard has been thrown out now got fiberglass replacments (need them to fit the crazy offset meisters).

Chanboy - Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:08 am
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hope to see some pics on the road soon, rather then in workshops!

dattodude - Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:18 pm
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Good work. Still waiting to hear the final figures, then the all important yaa-haa seat of the pants test.

Certainly looks the goods. I love the wheels and the colour.

xris - Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:17 am
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what a cooincidence i had today. i get home from the chemist (bloody diabetes costs so much grrr) and guess whos out the front of my house. chris dalton (my tuner) lol. next door is getting married and hes attending (his workshop is in geelong which is 40km from where i live in another city). so i had a chat to him about the car. heres what he said

he adjusted the cam timing (exhaust) by 2 degrees and the power figure went from 155kw@12psi to 177kw@12psi and increased torque as well (gain of 22kw

) (engine when the head was stuffed was making this figure (155kw) at 16psi). now the problem is there is a restriction in the system (only can be 2 things, cat or cooler) so on monday hes gutting the cat as its flat lining at 6000rpm. he is also going to comp test it to make sure that the rings have beded in correctly, and adjust the cam timing another 2 degrees and up the boost to 18psi. so monday tuesday next week should have some better results (its on the dyno atm). its slowely getting there. Im pretty sure the turbos not even in its efficiency range yet (t04 internals in a td06-20g turbo) so 18psi should see some better power figures.

he said its got alot of torque and doesnt need to be reved hard for it to start making power.

cypher1024 - Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:53 am
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That's great to hear dude!

182Go - Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:09 am
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If he has retarded the exhaust 2 degrees now and he plans to retard another 2 degrees, I would be questioning if the cams were big enough. Typical 2 degrees retarded is as much as you would go on the exhaust. It not unusual to see more advance on the intake but not retard on the exhaust.

xris - Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:12 am
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lol big enough, theyre 270x 9.25mm theyre plenty big. hes had quiet a good reaction previously on a circuit car he tuned by doing this (mine alone got 22kw more by doing this 2 degree's) but proof is in the pooding and the power keeps rising the longer he tunes it.

182Go - Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:31 am
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xris wrote:

The 22kw increase was from an engine that wasn't sealing so I dont think you can fully contribute all the gain to the cams. Educated guess would say less than 10kw was because of the retard.

You can also reach a point of no further gain, I will be interested to see if further retarding it nets any gain. Good luck with it, it sounds like it is finally heading in the right direction.

Torque increase will be through better sealing as it raises compression ratio and torque.

xris - Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:51 am
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nar you miss read what i wrote i think (or ive missread what you wrote lol).

after fixing the engine it was making 155kw@12psi, he adjusted the cam 2 degrees and it went up to 177kw. it was making 170~kw at 16psi with the badly setup head. its now making it at 12psi. i am also running a 1.3mm head gasket (was running a 1.5mm head gasket).

but yeh will see what more dialing of the cams does and gutting of the cat. Hopefully my cooler is not an issue

182Go - Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:20 am
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xris wrote:

ok so the 22kw is gain from the only exhaust retard, well that sort of gain is very suprising. Especially since you have fairly reasonable size cams in there now.

Oviously the tuner must suspect that there is some kind of top end flow restriction to want to mod the cat. Also it may account somewhat for the gain for only 2 degrees retard.

DumHed - Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:43 pm
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Or more likely it picked up 20 of those kw just from the extra running time wearing things in, and the 2kw came from the cam timing change

182Go - Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:48 pm
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DumHed wrote:

Or more likely it picked up 20 of those kw just from the extra running time wearing things in, and the 2kw came from the cam timing change

Yeah agree... starting to loosen up might be a big factor in that figure.

xris - Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:19 pm
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lol begrudge me any power figures/gains you would you bastards

yeh its run in now he said hes going to comp test it today to make sure then up the boost, play with cam timing, gut the cat.

Magnet - Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:24 pm
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What happened to 260rwkw?

xris - Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:31 pm
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what about it

the car hasnt finished being tuned yet, it has no boost controller other than the wastegate. and possibly the turbo exhaust housing is too small (something that i have been worried about since buying the turbo as it was a kit from japan (someone we think made a hybrid td06 with a smaller exhaust for quicker spooling etc but after investigation i have not found a rear housing that matches (16g, 18g, 19c, 20g, 25g all different). but this is not the end of the build. the engine is able to handle as much boost as this turbo can dish out (then i'll see about making more power, i dont want a dyno queen i want a car i can use not a lag monster)

but like i said tuning isnt finished yet, what it was going to make has only been estimations, its all up to the turbo now to deliver.

Magnet - Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:45 pm
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Well get spooling then!

182Go - Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:46 am
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I still wouldn't be expecting it to be putting out a max figure anytime soon. I will need quite a few klms before it is loose enough to produce everything it has.

I think what you have so far is a pretty reasonable result, we would all love to know what the final figure is but you shouldn't rush things for the sake of proving a point.

badhairdave - Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:01 am
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But thats the best reason to rush things.

The CA must be rubbing off, even you're making excuses for it now

xris - Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:03 am
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hahaha, it doesnt rub off it attaches itself like a CAncer lol

once fine tuning is complete and i have car back. i will drive it for awhile at whatever power it is putting out (got to go to Adelaide for DA in april so i'll drive it over hopefully do SD) but yeh final power will be done once its got a ebc and possibly some other mods here and there lol.

Risking - Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:15 pm
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Possibly the longest tune of all time let alone longest build!

xris - Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:23 pm
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lol

cat has been removed. as it was loose and blocking flow.

Put car back on dyno reved it out 1/2 - 3/4 throttle boost rose to 24psi. Gate has been removed and another spring has been put in to run less boost. Car is now making more power quicker, changed the noise of the car, cams dont sounds so bad overlapping anymore, 200+kw here we come

he said it made so much difference (cat must have been rooted, its been in there for 4 years) it unrestricted the boost lol wondered why it took so much to get it to boost up to 17psi lol, now shouldnt be a problem.

Also told me to call him tomorrow this time 5ish in regards to picking it up!!!!

182Go - Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:51 pm
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sounds like you had some serious restriction going on there. Look forward to the numbers.

Side_On - Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:01 pm
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Picked it up yets?

If so youtube time

MFX - Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:43 pm
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Just caught up with how this build is going. I had a spare CA here I was thinking of rebuilding, but i ended up changing my mind when I blew the CA that was in the car 2 weeks ago at Oran Park.
This morning I had a blown CA in the car and tonight I have an SR. I caved, but I just wanted to have something reliable in my drifter.

Looking forward to seeing the final power figure

Jeff.

xris - Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:06 am
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i rang up on friday at the time he asked me to. he said he had to go down and get some more fuel for it and he was going to stay back after 5 tuning it somemore. he said its now making the 170~kw at 3/4 throttle so theyres heaps left in it. said he'd call me on saturday when he finished to tell me how its going (he never called

) so im going to call him today to see whats up.

BHAPPY - Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:59 pm
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So whats the latest? is it still alive?

dattodude - Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:23 pm
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It's spent so much time on the dyno, it must be almost time for a rebuild.

I'm also hanging out to hear the latest.

Chanboy - Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:24 pm
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why is it still on the dyno anyway - why not just take it out and run the motor in at moderate power - least it could be getting driven rather then being a dust collector in someones garage...

DumHed - Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:01 am
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you're forgetting about the CA factor!

xris - Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:18 am
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im going to ring today, been busy at work so i havent had a chance to find out whats going on. i'll update u guys when i find out. (really want it back for this long weekend so i can get it ready for its first track day (next weekend)).

xris - Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:37 am
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hahahaha. classic ca18

chris just rang me the fuckin oil ring has gone on number 4 hes pulled the engine out and apart and just rang to find out what rings i was using as hes going to fix it today and put it back together.

Power figure 197kw@17psi lots of torque (said with abit more tuning he can get it over 200kw). looks like my turbo either needs lots of boost (due to the garrett t04 internals) to make descent power or the turbo is just shit (turbo is in good condition probably go well on a sr20 lol). might have a shot at running it on higher boost at some stage to see how much we can get out of it once its back and run in.

he said he'll have the engine back together in no time (today) as its a piece of cake to pull apart (hes done it enough times lol). I told him to give National a call as they deliver that afternoon if the parts in stock.

so the saga continues...

DumHed - Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:27 am
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I refrain from making any comment

xris - Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:30 am
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lol saying nothing is saying enough hahahaha. lucky i just got myself a gf its keeping my mind off my stupid car.

on a side note i drive a commodore vx 2002 model daily i have had no problems other than a shit battery hahaha. buying the commodore was one of the smartest things i have ever done. its reliable.

Razor - Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:45 am
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Mate, just... mate.

Risking - Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:55 am
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Oh damn you are either really determined or really stupid STILL!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know of anyone who would have put up with this ammount of crap. I gave up on the 3rd (I think it was 3!)

Why don't you just mount the engine on wing nuts or cable ties. Might save time when it comes to pulling it out every 4 hours of dyno time.

xris - Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:19 pm
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bah i think theyre using cable ties to hold the engine in atm its in and out and in bits in no time now. lol. last time now then it will be ok. turbo rear housing is as i feared too small so im either going to just get used to 200kw and drive that or see about swapping a mate (he has a td06-19c turbo). but i'll have to wait and see.

im not going to quit with this until its done sorry.

DumHed - Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:36 pm
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you know there are much cheaper ways to be frustrated

badhairdave - Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:59 pm
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Thought you have a bored out td06 20G 8 or 10cm housing?

I can tell you now that an 8cm housing is equivalent to a .63 T3 style and they will flow a lot more than 200rwkw. closer to 280rwkw if everything else is right.

It IS NOT your exhaust housing (though why you gutted a td06 is beyond me as they are good for 240+rwkw in 8cm form)

Warlock_688 - Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:00 pm
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DumHed wrote:

you know there are much cheaper ways to be frustrated

hehe give it time, his GF's only new

xris - Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:08 pm
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i'll post a pic up of the rear housing. i think its been swapped for something smaller so its spool time is better on a ca18. the front housing says td06-20g but yeh dont think the rear is. havent been able to match it to any of the td range of turbos.
so thats why i think its not putting out anymore than 200kw.

Risking - Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:12 pm
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I bet a "cheap" SR20 with a T28 is looking real good right about now.

xris - Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:13 pm
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funny you say that i have a sr20de+t we are building atm hahahaha

xris - Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:17 pm
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funnier yet is i told my mate and he goes "sounds like an sr20 to me" hahaha most of my mates have sr20's and all of them have had problems. bottom end knocks, head problems, bent rods, etc.

DumHed - Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:44 pm
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have you thought that maybe "user problem" might come into it

or maybe dodgy builders?

xris - Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:48 pm
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not at all, its a ca god(if there was one) himself could make one and it would still fall apart for no reason lol.

i have 100% trust in Chris as hes the one building it now. Dalton automotive have a very good reputation in the drag scene. also im not sure if that was a jib at me but nothing i have done wrong has caused an engine of mine to die (always something someone else did to the engine).

but who gives a shit. i will finish building this ca. who cares what it puts out just that i'll have it going. maybe get a bigger turbo on there who knows. but for now its staying as is.

BHAPPY - Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:34 pm
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so how much has this whole project cost you in dollars, if you don't mind me asking? and how long do anticipate the engine will last before it needs to be pulled apart again?

Risking - Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:53 pm
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a gazillion dollars and probably 4-5 hours IF his lucky.

Magnet - Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:53 pm
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xris - Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:48 am
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lol.

ok. i dont really like to think about how much car stuff costs. i know i have no money. probably 15k ive spent on the engine. over 5 years or so.

4k head, 3k bottom end, 3k turbo, misc $3k, computer $1.8k = $14800 meh cant take it with you.

actually ive built 2 bottom ends so x2

oh well went down there today rings are arriving around lunch time today. should be back in by tomorrow.

boost is coming on at 3500rpm making 200kw @16psi making a bucket load of torque. hmmm not bad for a ca18..

Razor - Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:01 pm
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Dude, your chasing a number that you should have been piss easy a long time ago. I recon keep going with the motor, yes an SR20DET will put out over 200rwkw with not too many mods, but if you stop now the entire process would be a complete waste (if not already) just get some very decent numbers.

If you stop now, that would be the stupidest...

Nismodified - Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:08 pm
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keep it going, this thread is interesting LOL

xris - Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:36 pm
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obviously im not going to stop now. would be a waste of time and money if i did.

yes the car is capable of producing 300kw safely. with my turbo setup it wont reach this (too small exhaust housing by the looks). it is however when all problems are ironed out going to last (unlike most ca18's). just have to iron out the problems and get it to a running state. i may sometime this year try out a l2 td06 or a td06-19c and see what i can produce, but for now i will get it finished with what i have, get used to that power then try out somemore.

unfortunately i have had some set backs. i have been more unlucky than anyone else (im pretty much cursed with cars as each one ive owned has died). so just got to push past that and get this one sorted.

if you dont succeed try try again

badhairdave - Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:38 pm
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just don't waste any money on a 19c old old design, stick with 20g's

xris - Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:42 pm
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nar i wont ive got a mate with one on his sr20. i'll see if i can borrow it

got another mate with a l2 kit just sitting there for his sr20 (he is using a ca) should just buy the turbo off him

i think though for what i am after the turbo i have will be all i need (drifting) as i have everything i could ask for in it.

early boost - 3500rpm
lots of torque
engine that can safely rev out to 9000rpm
over 200kw@rw
4:3 diff ratio so quick acceleration

that is the main purpose of the car, plus it looks good

CUE-02C - Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:37 pm
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hey mate..

ive been watching this thread for a while now and i congratulate you on sticking with it this far so you may aswell get her finished. it looks tuff man.

as a friend of simons and living in the same town as him ive seen what a tuned one of these motors can do in a s13.

im personally a fan of the sr20det and believe that they are a better engine, but each to their own i say.

well done man keep us posted.

xris - Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:39 am
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hahah cheers mate. dont worry not going to stop now

182Go - Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:13 pm
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On the plus side while they are paying out on the CA they are leaving my stupid ideas alone

Magnet - Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:20 pm
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Xris, you should supercharge the CA as well, then you can put a lag moster on it, yeah yeah

182Go - Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:01 pm
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Magnet wrote:

Xris, you should supercharge the CA as well, then you can put a lag moster on it, yeah yeah

I'm sure he has plenty of silly ideas of his own without dipping into my silly suggestion bag

ZEi250t - Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:45 pm
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DUDE the old man is back!!!

xris - Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:30 pm
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considered hooking up nos to it

. long weekend down here this weekend so no updates as of yet.

too_much_boost - Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:36 pm
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Wow, 15 pages long....

You know how this thread would go if it was an SR?

Bought car with SR

Installed fmic, exhaust, turbo, cams, injectors, ecu, pump, 2hr tune

Got 220rwkw with excellent response

Drove car and had fun

End of story

KOS! - Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:59 am
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You forgot this part;

Bought car with SR

Sounded like a truck

Installed fmic, exhaust, turbo, cams, injectors, ecu, pump, 2hr tune

Got 220rwkw with excellent response

Still sounds like a truck

Drove car and had fun

cypher1024 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:28 am
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That's a f&^#ing angry sounding truck!

xris - Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:38 am
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seriously if i wanted a truck i would have bought one lol.

yes anthony i see your point. but a ) i dont want an sr20 b ) i dont give a fuck how long it takes me to build c ) i could have bought a number of other cars that make 200kw but i didnt because i dont want any other car, i had this car, ive built it from scratch. once its running properly i'll have a great feeling of accomplishment because i stuck with something and didnt just give up.

if anyone has a problem with this fact get the fuck over it and go drive your shit sounding sr20's.

DumHed - Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:19 am
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I happen to quite like the sound of my SR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgyN9eIt3mY

I also like going fast without spending much money, but hey I'm weird like that

xris - Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:45 am
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yeh but its got an n/a rasp to it as well so it sounds ok

i can go 200kmh+ in my commodore but it still sounds like shit.

Side_On - Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:18 am
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too_much_boost wrote:

Not really... my story goes the same... but i have a internally stock ca that pulls 200kw and havent upgraded the cams yet, and think think im not going to, just bolted a disco to it with lots of boost and the rest. Response is freaking excellent with the ca and ever since i got the cusco light weight flywheel its been even better.

Feels really peaky lol.

Anyway, your CA saga is nearly finished xris... hopefully

BHAPPY - Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:01 pm
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DumHed wrote:

I happen to quite like the sound of my SR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgyN9eIt3mY

I also like going fast without spending much money, but hey I'm weird like that

With a screamer pipe a SR sounds quite deafening good! =) Well lots of people these days seem to like spending lots of money to keep their cars permanently in a workshop, it must be the new in thing =)

xris - Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:46 pm
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cheaper than insurance

KOS! - Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:27 pm
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Yeah and no, I do like the sound of NA SR20s, but they are raspy like most 2lts (mmm escort 2lt), but I've got dodge spec extractors so yes, it is a truck.

brummmm

MFX - Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:23 pm
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CA definitly sounds nicer than an SR, and my CA on 11psi went much harder than the SR I just put in, but the CA is just not reliable enough for me. For me I just want a car that will be a reasonably reliable drift car.

Jeff.

182Go - Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:11 pm
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too_much_boost wrote:

lol, shit stirrer

Nebuchernezzer - Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:11 pm
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Time for patience/stubborness award yet?

Good to see you sticking with it though mate, i remember you building this car when i was doing my first engine conversion and stuff years ago!

Crazy shit!

xris - Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:24 pm
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got to remember this has been a work in progress over the past 3 years. it only been 14 months now since its been off the road (im almost at wits ends with it but yeh out of site out of mind lol). might give him a call on friday to ask him what the fuck is going on now.

BHAPPY - Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:14 am
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So whats the latest with the engine? Are we there yet?

182Go - Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:16 pm
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time for an update what happened did it go better, blow up, what?

DumHed - Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:08 am
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250+ rwkw or ban!

GOTNOS - Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:20 am
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poor bastard..... I wouldn't even want to think about cars anymore if I was him.

xris - Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:03 am
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lol ive been spending alot of time with my new girlfriend hahahaha. what car? did i use to own a 180???

serious note last i heard all was well, was waiting on a new valve as one needed to be replaced because the head guy fuked something up. that has now been replaced and the engine has been put back together (new complete set of rings has been put in also). engine is apparently reving better/more freely now, not too lumpy on idle, chris has finished the down low tune and has gone on easter holidays.....so hes getting back today and he asked me to call him later to see how he goes tuning the top end. so yeh ive been in limbo now for far too long.

182Go - Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:40 pm
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I thought there for a second you had given up on trying to get it to make power and went home to make a big slingshot for it.

DumHed - Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:19 am
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"How much power does your CA have?"

"Enough to stop a large yacht from floating away!"

Risking - Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:38 pm
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I dont even think they are good enough to be used as an anchor anymore!!!

Maybe if you strap a few of them together you'd be looking good.

xris - Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:40 pm
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blah blah blah

just gave him a call said it should be right to pick it up tomorrow night (i'll pick it up friday morning ish as i have the day off

). said hes been putting load on it on the dyno running it in again and everythings is really good, temps, no noises etc.

i'll let u know what the figures are when i get back from picking it up

, just need an EBC so i can get it running more boost (16psi as standard on the gate). then a rerun on the dyno at 20+psi

da12nv - Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:30 pm
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so what happened with the car? has the motor held up or goonnneee

xris - Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:53 am
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you wouldnt believe it but........

clutch is slipping hahahahahaha. its now out and being fixed. motor is running fine, just finishing the tune and the new clutch is slipping (xtra heavy duty xtreme clutch). should find out in the next day or so whats going on as i just got back from R2 DA in adelaide.

182Go - Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:35 am
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clutch slip is a good sign that means your making some power

xris - Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:12 pm
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Needed the flywheel machining my fault i didnt do it before chucking on the new clutch whoops

ah well. Its all fixed now running good. i have to give him a call tonight at 7:30 to see how hes going, and has asked me to come pick it up tomorrow morning

as well. so yeh hes pretty confident its all up and running 100% now. im yet to see the bill for all the work

ouch!

i'll let u know (sound like a broken record) what its putting out. then once i see how low it is i'll start working on the minor stuff i need to do to make it output more

da12nv - Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:15 pm
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did he tell you what its running so far?

xris - Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:14 pm
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Hes finished it for now. tuning is complete. 198.9kw@17psi engine has few km's on it, and its got old fuel in it (been sitting for a few weeks). so im picking it up on monday and then i'll drive it for abit run it in and get used to driving it again (new car lol). get it all running ok and then go retune it with an ebc on it. torque is really good apparently and the engine is very responsive. perfect for what im using it for... drift. Temps did not rise above 72degrees after 10 back to back runs. engine is running very well

JayS14 - Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:29 pm
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xris wrote:

Temps did not rise above 72degrees after 10 back to back runs. engine is running very well

Thats very low dude see what it runs at with your normal driveing not on the dyno.

GOTNOS - Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:50 pm
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FFS DONT CRASH THE THING WHATEVER YOU DO !!!!!!!!!!

da12nv - Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:48 am
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well good luck to you then sounds alright for a ca

xris - Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:48 am
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turbo size has been the hold back not the engine. unfortunately the turbo had been tampered with in japan and made a hybrid for response on a CA. so yeh its max power will probably be around the same as a td05-18g. if thats not enough power for me i'll sell the kit and upgrade. but we'll see what happens

cant wait for monday

Risking - Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:17 pm
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Turbo size is not the hold back. At that boost that turbo is going to be stressed as is but it should be making more than that.

My self, TMB and Oricle have all had trouble with Trust turbos running any boost. They are prone to failure.

I know several GTR owners who have tried using the old school TD05's and had dramas with stuffed thrust bearings as well.

If your going to upgrade do it with something better like a GTRS, 2540 etc etc

BHAPPY - Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:57 pm
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Any dyno charts? Could be quite interesting!

xris - Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:06 am
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i dont see the outer housing being the problem of the turbo as the internales have been replaced with garrett internals (had it rebuilt, new core and wheels). so risking i dont think the turbo being a td06 is to blame, exhaust size is.

Im getting the car back tonight so i'll have a dyno chart to post then. it will probably be a little graph (going by the ones my brother has gotten off him in the past). I am going to a dyno day in 2 weeks and will get a nice pretty shootout mode graph for you (will post what i get tonight as well).

bear - Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:09 am
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Have you considered transplanting an SR20de into this car?

mokompri - Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:55 am
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what happened to the chart? its still alive right

xris - Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:35 pm
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hey guys lol no im not putting a sr20de in it would be more responsive than this though hahaha

heres the dyno sheet. got the car home and had to fix something i noticed. the throttle wasnt opening full only opening about 3/4(making near 200kw on 3/4 throttle) as the bit that holds the cable was too close and when you put the peddle down it couldnt pull it open far enough (xf throttle body with a custom throttle cable) have fixed this(had to cut and weld a inch of metal to space it out) but the peddle is still hard. going to have to look further into this. i also have to wire up the dash as he didnt know which wire to wire it too so i dont have a speedo or tacho (he was using the handcontroller). ive got the car in the shed and im pulling it apart atm (replacing exhaust and putting the new 2 way in (4:3 ratio diff

)

its good to have it home.

dattodude - Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:23 pm
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So, at 150kmh in 4th, the machine gets up and boogies

I'm ditching my GT28/76R for a HKS GT2530.

Cheers

Risking - Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:31 pm
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How long did it take him to tune??

Got an AFR graph to go with it??

Top end is pretty damn wavy??

xris - Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:59 pm
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took ages. im going to check a few things out and get it dyno'd elsewhere. takes ages to rev (not lag just rev responce) throttle wasnt opening 100% on those dyno charts just 75% due to throttle cable not pulling enough of the butterfly open. so yeh i need to check timing, fix this accelerator problem (really hard to push peddle down?!? got a custom line when its not attached to the xf tb its fine, but attach it and its hard as to push the peddle). so yeh need to check a few things. rear end is in bits atm im upgrading diff, sway bar, camber arms atm.

Risking - Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:58 pm
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Sounds retareded to me.

Find a new tunner!

xris - Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:35 pm
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wasnt chris's fault about the cable n shit. we've fixed that as it was a custom line and had too much slack (also the spring on the xf tb was on too tight) have lengthened the cable holder and this has taken up the slack so now the tb opens 100% and yes i drove it around the block and it feels like a normal accelerator cable. oil cooler is now on and engine is primed so theres no problems with oil back pressure (double checking stuff

). its coming along nicely all back together (new diff in etc). should have it finished today. then new guages and profec b this week. drift next saturday.

dattodude - Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:55 pm
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Quick, somebody get video of this car moving. It's a miracle!!!

Good work!

xris - Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:56 am
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lol i'll take some video footage of it running and stuff in the next few days. Got to sort this lag issue out (well as much as i can before the weekend) as boost is coming on very late, hopefully the profec b i bought will help out abit.

woot! just paid the rego. its now street legal hehe. god i love the ACT

just wacked 6months rego on it.

Risking - Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:02 pm
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Im tellin you it sounds retarded. Its not making the power it should be making and its laggy.

Check the ignition timing. What sort of timing is it running through the mid range and top end??

You have a Power FC yeh??

If so take a few photos of the commander in each of the ignitioin timing tables and post them up.

xris - Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:18 pm
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nar sorry risking i went microtech full custom loom. im going back down on thursday night to do some more runs i'll get print outs of afr's and boost as well. i got the profec b today so install tomorrow, new tyres and allignment wednesday, retune thursday, put on trailer friday, drift it saturday

i rang him today with my list of things wrong with it so its booked in on thursday to be checked. will see first hand this time as i'll be there when he puts it on the dyno.

Risking - Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:20 pm
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Oh boy you went with a microguess.

xris - Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:50 pm
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ha ha very funny. yes i went a microtech. my brothers rx7 is going very well on one.

Risking - Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:26 pm
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Thats cause its rotor.

Bout the only thing id use a microguess in.
If it works for you then use it I guess. Im not a fan but thats just me.

xris - Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:30 pm
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got a mate that has had them on both his sr and now ca (180sx,silvia) and hes had no problems been pretty good. i guess it all really comes down to the tuner (as with every ecu).

BHAPPY - Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:56 pm
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I had a microtech in my car when I first bought it, one of the first things I did was to get rid of it, and chuck a z32 AFM and powerfc pro on it. Hard to beat a powerfc pro on SR unless ya wanna spend mega bucks! =)

Risking - Tue May 01, 2007 6:39 pm
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The microguess does its job yes, I tunned one today in a 180sx made decent power for the mods but wasnt as pleasant as it could be.

For the work you have done the engine really does warrant a better ecu. Talk to any good tunner and they will probably tell you the same. Sticking to the MAP based units for simplicity id suggest a Haltech E8 or the E11v2 if you wanted the little extras.
The E8 would be ideal and really is a far better ecu for what you are trying to acheive. You have two options now a flying loom which is simple or buy a plug in for an SR20 and re-pin a few of the basics on the CA loom and tune from the base map supplied.
I like the flying loom as that way you have the CA loom intact and its slightly cheaper.

Just food for thought if you ever look at upgrading.

xris - Wed May 02, 2007 8:08 am
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cheers risking. ive totally removed the stock loom and ecu to clean up the engine bay and to get rid of any faulty wires that i probably had. I'll stick with this for now see how it goes, might look at another ecu if things go south.

chucked the profec b on lastnight (finally finished installing it by 12:00am) took it for some quick runs out in the country (about 2 mins out of town) omg the car is an animal up top. 9000rpm i was reving too

power just kept going. will be good to see if we can get responce any better as its feeling good atm (up top). my brothers got the car today to go get a wheel alligment and new front tyres (so he was going to have a play on his way to work with the ebc). car is starting to excite me instead of disapoint

xris - Thu May 03, 2007 11:59 pm
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after futher tuning tonight the car made 211.4kw and we worked out why. the backcut wheel on the "rebuilt" turbo wasnt done properly and its causing shit boost and power delivery. needs to be sent off and done correctly (got shafted by rotormaster). so i'll be doing that soonish. got the drift on saturday so will see how it goes. then pull it out and send it off. should make heaps more power when i get it back.

xris - Sun May 06, 2007 9:57 pm
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well what can i say i had a shithouse day lol. a year or so without drifting really puts you back

the car well as expected the turbo was shocking. had to stay in 2nd and rev the shit out of it (keep it above 4000rpm) sounded mean on the track though

, have to play around with my sway bar settings as i couldnt keep it sideways (was going straight all the time mid corner?!) anyways turbo should be sent off this week once i pull it out, the engine performed with out missing a beat (only other problem i had was the butterfly shaft was loose on the tb causing irratic behaviour in idle (stuck on 5000rpm at one point

thank god we worked it out as id cracked it and was ready to go home.

Heres a pic of me sliding it

thank god they got one descent photo hahaha

Magnet - Sun May 06, 2007 10:28 pm
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Awesome picture, car looks mean

shadowR - Sun May 06, 2007 11:33 pm
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Personally id be pointing the fingers at the LSD rather than the sway bar if its straightening up mid drift..

Sounds like the diff is opening up IMO. Unless the problem your having is the body flicking back at you which could be a couple of things... ie suspension (as you said) or....... your driving.....

lol nice work at the track tho lov the pic!!

Arkhaeon - Sun May 06, 2007 11:39 pm
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hes back!

Gee, Magnet and I were only talking about you last night too

Magnet - Sun May 06, 2007 11:48 pm
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Arkhaeon wrote:

Gee, Magnet and I were only talking about you last night too

Ah i remember now; "he may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but he's definatly the biggest"

Arkhaeon - Mon May 07, 2007 12:14 am
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lmao

Serial Killa - Mon May 07, 2007 1:07 am
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"do youz guys have any cable ties?"

xris - Mon May 07, 2007 8:12 am
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nar diff is fine, its a mechanical 2 way. its suspension related (sway bars by the looks of it) only thing changed since i slid it last were, sway bars and mechanical diff (was sliding a viscous before). but yeh like my brother said as i gave him a go in it. hardest car he has ever tried to slide (it used to be easy as) and my brother drives a fc rx7 (i hopped in that and straight away was able to drift a few corners lol). heres some more pics

My brothers car.

me and my brother (me not being able to slide it

)

my brother sliding my car (no shit had to keep the revs above 4000rpm in second (so drifting at around 7000rpm foot flat to the floor)

Nebuchernezzer - Mon May 07, 2007 9:52 am
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What is your suspension setup?
I wouldn't be to quick to blame the swaybars either.

xris - Mon May 07, 2007 11:41 am
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well its the exact same thing that happened to my mates 180, understearing, just gripping too much. but anyways

i have

Cusco coilovers
camber at i think 0 degrees rear
camber at front is -2.5
toe is set to 0 on the rear
toe is set to +1.5 on the front (if i remember correctly)
castor 7.5mm either side (max)

This stuff were going to play with as i'll increase the rear toe in. and next track day play around with hardening up the front sway bars and rear one. main concern atm is getting power down low i have nothing below 4000rpm turbo is being pulled out tonight and sent off to be checked and fixed.

Serial Killa - Mon May 07, 2007 12:40 pm
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The cars look hot together....

Twins, Basil!!

Risking - Mon May 07, 2007 6:54 pm
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sway bars are not going to effect the car in the ways your describing. Do you have much experiance with suspension set-up or just guessing??

Without driving it its next to impossible to tell but it does sound more related to your driving/engine/diff combination rather than sway bars.

JayS14 - Mon May 07, 2007 6:58 pm
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Serial Killa wrote:

The cars look hot together....

2nd that

Magnet - Mon May 07, 2007 7:05 pm
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Serial Killa wrote:

"do youz guys have any cable ties?"

Hahahahaha

oRiCLe - Mon May 07, 2007 7:13 pm
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toe out on the rear = oversteer

whyte - Mon May 07, 2007 10:06 pm
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cars looking good xris,
are they chargespeed guards?
if so where did u get them from

Serial Killa - Mon May 07, 2007 11:33 pm
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Magnet wrote:

Serial Killa wrote:

"do youz guys have any cable ties?"

Hahahahaha

hehe im glad someone remembered that!!

xris - Tue May 08, 2007 8:03 am
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guards are old streeter by streeter guards.

and yes ive had a few people comment on the sway bar setup. had a look last night and both are set on medium,

got to consider that my brother also drove it and he agrees so its not my lack of drift skills. (my brother came 3rd on saturday) as he's driven the car previously and as it is now and we've had a look and we need to play with abit of the settings, bit of toe adjustment, and sway bar adjustment.

removed the turbo lastnight should have it sent off this week sometime to be checked out and fixed. if it doesnt make things better on the dyno im putting on a GT2510 i have sitting next to my front door

bit more responce lol.

xris - Tue May 08, 2007 1:00 pm
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heres another pic of me but with smoke

Mandy - Tue May 08, 2007 1:04 pm
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permission to drewl?

xris - Tue May 08, 2007 1:09 pm
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permission granted

Mandy - Tue May 08, 2007 1:10 pm
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*homer drewling*

182Go - Wed May 09, 2007 7:41 pm
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I think we need to limit this thread to 10kw per page. 21 pages and you made 211.4kw time to make some more power

Arkhaeon - Wed May 09, 2007 7:46 pm
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Its funny that the only pic with smoke from the rears, is when youre on the handbrake

Risking - Wed May 09, 2007 8:19 pm
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whoops.

Personally id advise you go with the 2510. Much more responsive, more fun to drive, less hassle and the engine will last longer. By the sounds of besides the fact the thing now runs your disapointed in the results thus far??

xris - Wed May 09, 2007 8:33 pm
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haha i was thinking the same (about the tyre smoke)lol

yeh abit disapointed but ah well once i get the turbo back (i sent it off today to get it checked out and possibly rebuilt) i'll deside.

tossing up either to use

Td06H-20g (current turbo)
GT2510 (sitting at my door step)
T517z (got a mate selling a couple)

but i'll deside once the turbo's back on and we run it on the dyno again. going to modify the cooler lines (shorter for more responce) and possibly change the turbo manifold to a shorter runner one (instead of the equal length one i have atm).

BT - Thu May 10, 2007 8:33 am
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Every body sing!

Turn around
Look at what you see
In her face
The mirror of your dreams
Make believe I'm everywhere
Hidden in the lines
Written on the pages
Is the answer to our never ending story
ah ah ah

xris - Thu May 10, 2007 10:05 am
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you need a girl friend. if you have one she sure isnt doing a good job

yeh well thats cars i guess...

BT - Thu May 10, 2007 10:26 am
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I do need a girlfriend because i'm married!

Sorry dude, I couldn't resist. It looks like the worst of your dramas are over at least.

Chanboy - Thu May 10, 2007 10:50 am
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go for the 2510 dude. If dorifto is your aim and not top speed, a smaller responsive turbo should bring you the most satisfaction...

xris - Thu May 10, 2007 10:52 am
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yeh it is but.... i do want abit more than 200. something around the 230kw mark would be perfect. im thinking if the td06 doesnt work possibly a t518z or t517z turbo?

Arkhaeon - Thu May 10, 2007 10:56 am
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can I have one of the leftover turbos?

Chanboy - Thu May 10, 2007 10:56 am
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Is it just me, or are you too focused on the top end power? What you want is low down torque right, so you can spin the wheels up very quickly at low RPM. 211kw is easily enough for good dorifto, you just need to get the power in the right spot.

xris - Thu May 10, 2007 10:59 am
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nar i want a responsive turbo with a good top end peak power. the t517z turbo offers this from the graphs ive seen, but yeh i understand what your saying.

Risking - Thu May 10, 2007 6:12 pm
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2510!!!

Do something normal. Mount it on a OEM cast manifold and thank everyone for advising you to use it after your first drive.

Ive seen them make 210Kw or so. USE IT!!!

Chanboy - Thu May 10, 2007 9:27 pm
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yeah its frustrating isn't it? he wants to be dorifto king and dyno queen all at the same time...

xris - Fri May 11, 2007 9:09 am
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lol shut up.

i dont actually.

how would one of these turbos run if i only oil cooled it? as ive removed all the un needed water lines.

the reason im alittle against it as i want the complete package, which ive built. but i might sway that direction

wouldnt cost too much to setup (need dump pipe, oil lines, manifold).

badhairdave - Fri May 11, 2007 12:58 pm
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The bearings won't like it too much.

get a td05 16G. It'll mount to your existing manifold and you'll be happy.

Risking - Fri May 11, 2007 7:25 pm
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Or even the TD05H-18G is a decent turbo. Basicly the same as a T518z.

xris - Wed May 16, 2007 5:32 pm
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quick update

got a call yesterday in regards to the turbo. the rear housing has been butchered. the guy goes (specialist? in sydney) its supposed to have a 1/2mm clearance this has 6mm clearance. he said he hasnt seen something this bad in 20 years of working on turbos. hes supprised that the turbo made any power let alone 211kw lol. hes now on the hunt for a rear housing to replace this one as he said the rest of the turbo's fine just need a proper fitting housing for the wheel. said he'll look around sydney for one (hopefully he finds something)

oh and i blew the gearbox in my vx commo

$1950 for a reco

so much for my warranty bastards.

dattodude - Wed May 16, 2007 9:52 pm
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The experts are always getting it wrong.
It really pays to buy anything and everything with a guarantee these days.

I'm excited for you! More power..is always a good thing.

xris - Fri May 18, 2007 10:15 am
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rear housing has been found, but the rear wheel was shaved down as well and that has still a 2mm clearance, so that has to be replaced as well. So its going to be ready mid next week $770, im getting all the old parts back, and a testimonial from the guy in sydney saying what was wrong and the bill and im going to take it to rotormaster, if they dont pay im going to consumer affairs with it. as that is just bullshit.

but goodnews is the guy in sydney said other than the rear bits (which hes fixing now) its a really good turbo and should be responsive. so hopefully have it back before end of next week, retune and back on the track the following wednesday

cant wait.

badhairdave - Fri May 18, 2007 10:59 am
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Who'd you go to in sydney if you don't mind me asking as that sounds like a pretty bloody good price if it includes a new turbine housing and exhaust wheel

xris - Fri May 18, 2007 11:03 am
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i gave it to to chris dalton to send it to his guy he only trusts in sydney. he said "specialists" not sure if thats theyre name, i'll get the invoice tomorrow and i'll let you know.

Risking - Sun May 20, 2007 6:06 pm
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retune will take roughly 4-40 weeks wont it??

xris - Mon May 21, 2007 8:03 am
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ha ha no it wont take 40 weeks. just think about it if you've built an engine and it just isnt going right you have to figure out whats wrong. finally work out that the turbo is shit (cant tell by just looking at it had to open it up to find this out). but anyway.

have started re modifying my cooler and cooler pipe setup. cooler is now being relocated inside the engine bay reducing cooler pipes by about 4 or so feet. should have that going together once the turbo's back. im also replacing the exhaust manifold to a shorter runner type (my one has had previous repairs and seems to be cracked and id rather replace than repair it) Selling my Type R Bov to pay for the manifold

xris - Tue May 22, 2007 4:59 pm
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Sold the blitz exhaust and bought my new replacment exhaust manifold from importbitz, sending it today so hopefully have everything up and running again this weekend (fingers crossed) just waiting on the turbo to come back and manifold to arrive.

DumHed - Tue May 22, 2007 5:29 pm
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Have you thought about an SR conversion? It'll get that extra torque you want now

Kaomech - Wed May 23, 2007 8:44 am
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long live teh CA...
haha thanks for the 20 odd page morning read :p lol ...

love the build man!... more pics!

xris - Wed May 23, 2007 9:09 am
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sr20 pfff yeh a few time

i'll update the thread with more pics. later. i'll upload a vid as well

xris - Wed May 23, 2007 9:37 am
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http://www.youtube.com/v/nFkixO4VuOM

Magnet - Wed May 23, 2007 4:43 pm
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...and the results?

xris - Wed May 23, 2007 6:04 pm
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oh sorry thats the old dyno run with the shit clearance turbo

211.4kw

182Go - Fri May 25, 2007 7:39 pm
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xris wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/v/nFkixO4VuOM

Sounds like you have too much clearance in the exhaust housing

xris - Mon May 28, 2007 8:24 am
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hahaha

you dont say.

redoing my cooler piping. measured it up yesterday im reducing my cooler piping from 2.3mtrs down to 800mm

got my new exhaust manifold to replace my old one.

defect - Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:45 pm
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so your driving this car now?

xris - Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:54 pm
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nar lol hopefully will be in the next week. guy in sydney was having trouble getting some greddy/mitsubishi parts for the turbo, rang up today to find out whats going on, said hed call tomorrow (hopefully have it then).

so short answer no. been busy setting up our new business and workshop here in melbourne
[shameless plug]

Primal Garage
Unit 1 /380 Summerville Rd West Footscray

Were doing spray jobs, body kit repairs and installs/and sales, suspension installs and sales, otomoto reseller (kkr, HSD, os giken, etc etc), soon to be bosch reseller, we also do custom guard work (flaring/lipping) we pretty much do anything you can think of

hehe

just opened this week so yeh been busy getting that sorted out atm.

[/shameless plug]

swanny - Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:56 pm
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Fuck me dead I read the whole damn 23 pages of the thread, wondering by which page it would actually all be together and working and making the expected power...

IT STILL HASNT!? ZOMG!!

hahaha

Haha mate you have some farking admirable patience thats for sure

Car looks super tough, cant wait to see what it pulls when you get the exhaust housing back in good working order!!

xris - Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:59 pm
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sorry for not updating sooner

been busy

Well i got the turbo back, had to reweld my dump pipe up (one that was made for me was press bent wtf?!) so we made it 3" mandrell

. had to reweld the dump for the wastegate as the idiot that repaired it just put it on anywhere

dickhead. so had to cut and weld it so it didnt go in front of the dump pipe.

turbo is now back on, car is running, new cooler setup has been made, and engine runs fine (no leaks). retune is this thursday after work!

fingers crossed

heres a rough pic of the new engine bay setup (99% back together)

BT - Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:01 pm
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I'll be crossing my fingers with you mate!

da12nv - Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:05 pm
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good luck xris i want to see this thing pull some good power

Nebuchernezzer - Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:01 pm
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Neat looking engine bay, i like.

xris - Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:00 am
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had abit of an issue (wastegate spring we used to try and compinsate shit turbo was making too much boost 25psi +) had to drive it home, miss the drift day and put the old spring in. took it for a drive after i did this and its working real well now holding 10psi (without the boost controller turned on) so its ready to be tuned (again). ive just rung up to book it in got to wait for him to give me a call back to see if he can slot me in after work today

182Go - Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:04 pm
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Good luck, look forward to the results you deserve a good number you have put the time and effort in.

182Go - Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:27 pm
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come on! update time

xris - Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:11 am
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sorry guys was on holiday for a week.

currently sitting at 215kw@18psi. have an issue with it not making shit loads of power. have had some people point to my cams being too large (270x9.25mm) or my custom cam gears im using (adjustable). had a problem with compressor surge but that was because gain was set too high on the boost controller (finally figured that out lol) going back for another dyno tune for some more dialing in of the cams. if this doesnt produce results im going to take it to another tuner to get the rest of the bugs ironed out.

182Go - Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:49 pm
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I think that is a smart move, if he cant get some decent power shortly you have to move on to another tuner.

xris - Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:54 pm
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yeh im looking atm to take it to a workshop called Racepace down here in melbourne (down side its on the otherside of the city) but these guys specialise in GTR's 300+kw

so im going to get Ben (the owner) to have a look at my cams to make sure theyre dialed in correctly as im starting to think that thats my problem and see if he can make it make some more power (hes expensive but 2 of my mates get theyre cars tuned by him and hes good).

mokompri - Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:04 pm
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yeah SAU seems to have alot of praise for racepace.

BHAPPY - Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:44 pm
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Racepace Motorsports did my intake and exhaust originally, which has since been slightly modified for my present turbo setup. If they can't get some decent power out of ya CA. I doubt anyone will and then it would be time to cast the boat anchor once and for all and get a real engine

Risking - Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:32 pm
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depends how the cams were dialled originally. Were they set to a "true" 0 degrees then adjusted or set to 0 degrees on the cam gears and adjusted.

If you set up a set of RB26 cams and dial them properly after taking 4-5 thou off the head you will find the true TDC mark is actually 1.5 degrees or so out when setting them up witha dial guage and cam wheel.

Thats said sounds more like your tunner previous or still current is crap!

xris - Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:04 am
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dialed the cams in ourselves, noticed there was no overlap. it now has transformed the car, it now lights up through the gears. just abit more fine tuning of them and it should make some more power, feels sooooo much better now, even took it drifting lastnight

182Go - Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:10 am
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So how much did you alter the timing by and it which direction?

Risking - Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:53 pm
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No overlap??

I hate being the one to say it but this build is ridiculous

I mean honestly how many times has this thing been "fine tunned"

Dead set, I built a high end supra last month, finished it spent 5 hours on the dyno, cold start next morning customer gone and happy. WTF is your tunner doing besides taking you for a ride!!!

There is ONE tune, all done finished. No need to spend more and more time on the dyno. If he can't see a cam timming issue whist tunning his not real crash hot now is he

Sorry if you disagre but honestly thats the way it should be

splashman - Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:16 pm
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maybe you should go down and tune it for him.

ZEi250t - Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:21 pm
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+1 on what he said

182Go - Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:38 pm
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I think he would be hard pressed to do any worse! blind freddy could tune a car better then current tuner by the sounds of things.

xris - Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:43 pm
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lol yeh well current tunner is a rotary shop

so yeh i'll be taking it to another "piston" shop (race pace) to get it tuned (if they'll touch my microtech) once i get some tomei/jun cam gears.

182Go - Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:51 pm
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yeah well maybe it's normal for rotary cams not to have overlap

fergo308 - Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:53 pm
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that'd explain why they have NFI about setting cam timing.

good luck with the next stop on the journey. hopefully this next mob will have half a clue.

Justin...

DumHed - Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:48 am
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this is my obligatory *SR CONVERSION* post

182Go - Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:57 am
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DumHed wrote:

this is my obligatory *SR CONVERSION* post

Or at least put in the CAs bigger brother

BHAPPY - Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:09 am
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Maybe the title of this thread, should be renamed to Biggest waste of money build of all time and yep its a ca powered 180sx. Anyone else got some good ideas for what this thread should be renamed to?

So did the ex/current tuners have a good reputation for tuning turbo piston engines with microtechs before you decided to take it there in the first place?

Regards,
Albert

xris - Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:49 am
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chris is a good tuner dont get me wrong, hes done alot for us, not charging me for hours of dyno time and fixing my engine lol. the cam gears im using are somewhat to blame as they have no Zero marking on them and i had to repunch them as the adjutable bit wasnt in the center when the outer peice was pointing where it should be, so yeh mostly them. we were going to look at the cam timing next time i went down as hes got a mate that is pretty cluey in regards to cams. my engine is abit unique as hes never had one this modified (no excuse i guess) but yeh now that i know what the issue is/was im getting new cam gears (thanks to Niscort for helping sus out what the problem was he was a big help).

and no this wasnt really a waste of time and money ive learnt alot and have recently built a mates ca which is making some decent power with little mods, mines just been 1 problem after another. im one of those guys that shouldnt own a car

hahaha.

but in all seriousness the cars running really well and sounds unreal at 8000rpm~ smoking the wheels through a corner, gate blaring!

182Go - Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:23 pm
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Glad to hear it is finally coming together for you xris

you deserve a break it sounds like you have had your fair share of trouble and a few other peoples. I know how frustrating it can be when circumstances beyond your control keep bringing you bad luck. I know in my case SOME of it was self inflicted but a lot of the crap that has gone on hasn't been. I look forward to that post where you say "I HAVE FINALLY DONE IT!"

bogan - Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:45 pm
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182Go wrote:

I look forward to that post where you say "I HAVE FINALLY DONE IT!"

and following that line.. It'd be "I'VE CONVERTED TO SR! YOU'RE ALL RIGHT! d'OH!"

Hopefully you can prove us wrong Xris..

niscort - Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:12 pm
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for christs sake dont break the bloody thing before you get it "really" tuned at race pace... Im sure there will be an even bigger difference once the cams are properly setup and tuned to suit.

do you have a date for it to be done yet?

xris - Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:31 am
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nar i dont got to sort out some cam gears..rhdjapan.com says its a 2 week + wait on cam gears as they are a made to order part now :S

Magnet - Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:28 pm
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BHAPPY wrote:

Maybe the title of this thread, should be renamed to Biggest waste of money build of all time and yep its a ca powered 180sx

Why? it's making power now.

BHAPPY - Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:15 pm
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Magnet wrote:

BHAPPY wrote:

Maybe the title of this thread, should be renamed to Biggest waste of money build of all time and yep its a ca powered 180sx

Why? it's making power now.

I find your sarcasm quite humorous

too_much_boost - Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:26 pm
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Its getting to the point this thread should be moved to "Jokes and Funny Stuff"

BHAPPY - Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:32 pm
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too_much_boost wrote:

Its getting to the point this thread should be moved to "Jokes and Funny Stuff"

So why hasn't it been moved there already?

BLISTC - Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:57 pm
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come on guys give the man a break, its very disheartening hearing these cheap shots coming from you guys.

i hope you get everything sorted, i knew that one day eventually you will have this up and running.

Arkhaeon - Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:16 pm
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215rwkw is more power than most people here are making, and a shitload more than most CA owners have.

Keep that in mind when you make a post, eh?

BHAPPY - Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:05 pm
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Arkhaeon wrote:

215rwkw is more power than most people here are making, and a shitload more than most CA owners have.

Keep that in mind when you make a post, eh?

Well the only reason xris's CA is making more power than most CA owners have is cause, most CA owners wouldn't spend crap loads of money on a CA to begin with, and probably realise that they can make the amount of power xris is presently making, far more easily and probably more cheaply with a stock SR20DET and have a better spread of torque. Most people also know that you even make that power with a s15 SR20det with the appropriate supporting mods without even changing the factory turbo.

182Go - Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:18 am
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and most people are sheep that just follow what everyone else does. Granted there is a good reason why most people gravitate to doing things one way, generally because it gets the bulk of the results at a reasonable price. But where would we be if people just stuck with the status quo and didnt try new things??? we would be still using candles instead of light bulbs, that where.
I applaud xris perserverance for staying in there, although the CA is not the logical choice, at the end of it he will be able to sing "I did it my way" will you?

xris - Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:29 am
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thanks mate

i seriously dont give a fuck what these puppets say. in the end its my car, my choices, my money and i did it my way

182Go - Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:34 am
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Hey but don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with doing it the simple way either... I just don't know how to do it the simple way, I never have, so I am cursed to be a pioneer. Somedays I really wish I could just do it the way everyone else does, but I go to do it that way and some voice in the back of my head says if you just change that little bit... I take it you are plauged with those same bloody voices

mokompri - Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:19 pm
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182Go wrote:

so I am cursed to be a pioneer.

pioneer ? what ?

xris - Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:30 pm
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ok enough whoring of my thread. please dont post unless you have something constructive to say. I'll post updates when they eventuate. im waiting on a response re tomei cam gears.

Magnet - Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:23 pm
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182Go wrote:

I applaud xris perserverance for staying in there

As do i, many people would have given up a long time ago, but hell, he kept pumping money into it and it's nearly there. It may not have been the best base, but at least he can munch people and yell out the window "it's CA, up ya, bitch", making them feel even lower.

xris - Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:57 am
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lol heres another update.

I purchased a set of Tomei adjustable cam gears from japan, and put them in the other night. The car is now booked in with Racepace for next monday for him to play with the tune and to set the cam gears (thought it was about time i gave it to someone that knows what they are doing

)

182Go - Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:12 pm
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time to sit back and wait for the numbers (hopefully

)

xris - Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:53 pm
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if anyones going to make this thing fly its ben. you should see this guy. hes HUGE

mokompri - Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:07 pm
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xris wrote:

hes HUGE

muscly overlord ?

xris - Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:17 pm
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yeh hes about 6'5 built like a brick shithouse.

xris - Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:11 am
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Results are in :-

230kw

I'll upload the dyno chart tomorrow (im picking the car up tonight).

He said if you didnt know any better youd think it was an sr20

hes very pleased with the power its making (turbo size is the only issue for the power) took abit of work to get it there but its finally driveable

im going to get it back and enjoy it now (once ive paid off all the bills

)

BT - Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:36 am
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So that's it now, done and dusted?!

Congrats mate, I hope you're pleased and satisfied with the end result and, as you said, you can get on with enjoying it now.

xris - Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:48 am
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230kw is plenty for now. further down the track i may want to upgrade to a larger turbo but for now this will do.

mokompri - Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:08 am
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yeah put up dyno graph when you can !

Arkhaeon - Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:11 am
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meh fuck the graph, show us ya drifts!

Very happy for you dude!

182Go - Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:58 pm
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Congrats... 230 is a respectable figure out of a CA.

PingBoy - Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:49 pm
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Definately, now go rip it up!

xris - Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:08 am
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lol yeh well i took it for a "test" on saturday and OMFG it is awesome. down shift clutch it and instant fishies

took it for a slide and..........IM BACK BABY!!! this thing loves to drift and the microtech limiter sounds awesome hahaha. so does the gate. cars going really well other than i had to pull the turbo kit out as the gaskets had blown

(stupid flanges arent flat so im doing that atm just need the manifold fixed now)only took 50mins to fully remove so that good compared to the old style. i'll upload a pic of the dyno graph tonight.

in4mus13 - Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:29 am
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nice man alot of poweer for a ca

xris - Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:34 pm
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Here's the dyno sheet!

Nebuchernezzer - Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:06 am
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pics

Busky2k - Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:06 am
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Was it done in 4th gear and using the stock 3.9 ratio diff?

xris - Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:47 am
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no ive got a new diff in my car think its a 4.3 ratio and yes it was in 4th gear.

BT - Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:43 am
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Car still working?

xris - Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:22 am
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shutup

im currently fixing a small problem (stupid stainless manifold cracked so we welded it up and it bowed alittle so its not sealing 100% im getting it milled tonight and putting it back on.)

Ive got a vid for you to check out. hahahaha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgcHEyzGVuI

Car is currently the feature car of the first nissansilvia.com newsletter

Im also entering my first comp in it next weekend at winton. ive slid it once since getting it back went really nice power is awesome like i said so should be an interesting day.

badhairdave - Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:09 am
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ffs

have you got mangled knuckles from punching the lump of a thing all the time over the last few years?

xris - Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:24 am
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lol yeh alittle

DRFTD - Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:09 am
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Awesome build buddy!

Top looking car!

Can I ask what the mirrors are that you have? They are hawt!

Chanboy - Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:56 am
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How did your track dorifto day go dude?

xris - Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:01 am
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lol pretty shit house. i really need some practice.

i snapped the accelerator cable bracket (fixed that) then i blew the turbo manifold gasket

ended my day by 11:30am fark all power. ive since made up a new gasket and put it on.

Car is on display at Sandown 500 this weekend for anyone coming down to watch.

Also Fast Fours are doing a feature on it

so yeh other than that its been running really well ive been driving it to work (300~km to a tank

with a fair bit of thrashing).

Chanboy - Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:05 am
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the little CA's were never very fuel efficient... frustrating when SR20's with more power, thrashed to bits and still get better efficiency...

... good to hear that the car is actually being used LOL (and not just for track events...)

xris - Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:21 am
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i used to be able to drive 5 and a half hours and still have 1/4 of a tank left. my microtech had too high a cruise afr set. we've reduced it a bit (leaned it out on the decel cut) so that it should get a bit better mileage (you could see fuel coming out on cruise (smoke)) so yeh needs a retune with better afr's (less than 12.3 lol so more power

) but other than it being a bit rich on cruise it goes really nice.

xris - Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:25 am
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My car at sandown500 on the weekend (i was asked to organise a nissan stand).

badhairdave - Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:31 am
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I liked the old thread title betterer

182Go - Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:49 pm
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you have to change the title every 28 pages or so its in the forum rules...
Why can't they stand the girls behind the car???

heerohua - Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:51 pm
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182Go wrote:

you have to change the title every 28 pages or so its in the forum rules...
Why can't they stand the girls behind the car???

It's ok, a second shot was taken when they removed them

DumHed - Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:16 pm
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they should make hawt chix stand in front of the CA, then we can pretend there's a proper engine in there

whyte - Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:23 pm
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that looks good!

both the chicks and the car

xris - Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:29 pm
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lol

thanks guys. heres another pic.

182Go - Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:11 pm
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DumHed wrote:

they should make hawt chix stand in front of the CA, then we can pretend there's a proper engine in there

hahaha good call

DumHed - Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:21 pm
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is someone getting defected in the background of that last pic?

xris - Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:27 pm
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no that was an airforce guy. there were however police (traffic managment unit (TMU)) walking around looking at the cars lol. (ive got it regod in ACT still

hehe they didnt even seem to care.

182Go - Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:05 pm
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DumHed wrote:

is someone getting defected in the background of that last pic?

not yet but wait till he sees him on the road. ahh yes your on my list...

BHAPPY - Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:53 pm
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DumHed wrote:

they should make hawt chix stand in front of the CA, then we can pretend there's a proper engine in there

Who wants a proper engine? when you can get a pretend 'sr' engine?

Chanboy - Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:26 pm
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those two chicks are hot... but how come they are not wearing high heals?

LOL

bogan - Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:31 pm
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I think they look better in those shoes, rather than heels.

congratulations on the build Xris.. just 5years late hey?

ZEi250t - Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:52 pm
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ill take the brunette chick thanks

BHAPPY - Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:24 pm
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ZEi20T wrote:

ill take the brunette chick thanks

Aren't you married any more zei?

ZEi250t - Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:42 pm
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who said i was married???

did my wife say that? dont believe her!! she is ahhhhh crazy! yeah that!

xris - Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:09 am
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5 years too late for what exactly? its not like the car has spent the last 5 years in the garage and never driven. its only been in there for 2 years

(but not all at once).

But i agree the chicks would look heaps more sluttier in heals

wait for my photos from autosalon semi finals

Arkhaeon - Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:01 am
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Well I love the car.. Plus, I think its been on the road longer than mine

Those chicks look great - they look 'real' and not at all slutty. Id probably class them both as some of the most attractive car chicks ive ever seen. Fake tan and truckloads of makeup ftl!

xris - Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:26 pm
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heres an action shot

<<Ronin>> - Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:19 pm
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xris wrote:

heres an action shot

Nice

This has to be one of my favourite 180's.

MAXBOOST - Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:55 am
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Top stuff neil

-Mitch

da12nv - Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:39 pm
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she looks mean now mate good job with her, and for sticking to it

xris - Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:11 am
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snapped a tie rod at the local drift practice night on wednesday

that was fun driving it home (tried welding it but that snapped). I have since purchased and installed

Just jap tie rod ends
Harder longer thicker tie rods
Ikeya Formula adjustable lower control arms

just need to do a wheel alignment now but should have anymore issues up front. Engine loved it on wednesday

didnt skip a beat.

MAXBOOST - Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:16 pm
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Good stuff. Now vids!!

whyte - Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:47 pm
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any pics of you out on the track?

xris - Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:53 pm
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um i posted 1

whyte - Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:51 pm
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niceeeeee

xris - Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:19 pm
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been a while since ive posted anything so ive decided i'll add an update.

- car is still going well. i have had some issues (7) with blowing turbo/manifold gaskets. i have now fixed this problem (welded turbo to manifold

)
- engine is still performing well (when it wasnt blowing gaskets which it doesnt do now).
- we have reflared the rear guards to 40mm
- fitted Kei Office Coilovers (and lowered the car about 15mm)

Car now looks the goods lowered. I have also put an order in with tomei for them to make me some 260x10.25mm cams (due to the 270x9.25 being too large for my turbo hence the lag and compressor surge im suffering) these will be ready by mid feb. i'll get a retune and these installed once i get them.

Our workshop has also started to take off and with the money from it we have purchased a new track car s13.5 with an SR20DET in it

hehe we are in the process of stripping and liteing the car (removed wiring/sound deadener and replacing most windows with acrylic, getting a chromoly cage,) should be ready by feb.

CraZeeE - Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:49 pm
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xris wrote:

i have now fixed this problem (welded turbo to manifold

)

Awesome!

Zac - Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:53 pm
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you seriously welded the turbo to the manifold ?

xris - Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:01 pm
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damn straight. i wasnt going to sell it so i decided to weld it on. you would too if it happened to you 7 times (i had the manifold draw filed as it was too much of an angle to machine, and the turbo machined flat and it still leaked.) so yeh welded it on with a stick welder (was done properly).

xris - Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:43 pm
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just thought id let you guys know that i got some new cams in and a retune.
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282.6kw@17psi

makes the power easily. right cam choice makes a hell of a difference.

tehyoungone - Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:26 pm
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xris wrote:

just thought id let you guys know that i got some new cams in and a retune.
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282.6kw@17psi

makes the power easily. right cam choice makes a hell of a difference.

Holy Cow.

badhairdave - Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:34 pm
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Finally a decent result! Congrats.

xris - Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:17 am
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cheers guys

dyno graph for you

tehyoungone - Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:41 am
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Not very stable..

Fester - Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:45 am
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just

xris - Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:53 am
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reason being the voltage needs boosting to the coil packs (im getting a hks twin power dli for it) on 15.5psi it made 278kw and a lot smoother graph thats what im running it on atm until i increase the spark.

tehyoungone - Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:08 am
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kk..

Fusion - Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:17 am
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Good result!

CA - Keep it real

.....I sold out at 145rwkw.

Side_On - Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:43 pm
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good to know your final result of this never ending project.

Congratulations!

I miss my 200kw-er CA =P. Never regreted doing it up and it held together right till the end on stock internals.

Long live the CA.

And to all you SR possessed zombies who didnt have faith in this project...
well... eat it.

cheers

mokompri - Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:09 pm
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xris wrote:

Our workshop has also started to take off and with the money from it we have purchased a new track car s13.5 with an SR20DET in it

blasphemy !

im assuming you never used those cheap gaskets, and only the genuine nissan metal ones. strange to blow so many

xris - Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:58 am
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nar the gaskets that blew were genuine trust ones. could never get the bloody manifold flat. had the turbo machined flat and the manifold draw filed. then it didnt seal so i was over it. so we welded them together. no problems since.

yeh the track car is pretty mad we've spent a lot of time on it doing the cage/tubs etc engine now also runs

so its close to being painted (next week). heres some pics of it for you guys that dont go on ns.com

badhairdave - Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:02 am
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by track car i assume you mean dedicated drift hack considering the inner guard mods??

xris - Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:07 am
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yes dedicated drift car. thinking of getting some 18x10j Work XD9's for the rear and some 17x9.5j for the front.

182Go - Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:43 am
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Congrats on the power figure, finally a figure that represents the effort you have put in.

xris - Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:22 pm
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thanks mate

i got my HKS Twin Power today

thanks streeter. I'll hook that up and when im ready go and redyno the car and see if we can crack the 300kw mark

xris - Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:16 pm
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well thought whilst i was on here id do an update on the car...

car made 282.3kw@16.9psi i ran this setting on the boost controller and my clutch died at our drift day

started slipping as i pulled out on track. so its sat there ever since (6months.) in that time ive decided im going to pull it out and do some things that i should have to start with.

Things ive purchased.

rb25det gearbox
os giken twin plate clutch
ikeya formula steering arms and tie rod ends
2x Bride Euro ii seats in red.

plan is to pull it down. strip it to bare metal. tub the front end, respray. drop the engine back in (with all speedflo braided fittings for reliability) and then retune for 1.5bar and drive it

hybrid - Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:12 pm
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That's awesome power from a CA, well done!
Long live the CA indeed.

nick0 - Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:34 pm
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Thats sick mate nice wrk that's the same sort of figures I'm hoping for from my ca however it's in a ke70

Magnet - Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:02 pm
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CA would be long dead by now.

nick0 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:52 am
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Magnet wrote:

CA would be long dead by now.

maybe but they are easier to rebuild and with forgies they can be quite tough and seem to enjoy 24psi+ of boost mine does

Magnet - Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:38 pm
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Oh yeah?

Nebuchernezzer - Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:41 am
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easier to rebuild than what?

182Go - Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:21 am
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I wonder if xris ever did crack the 300 mark?

xris - Fri May 06, 2011 10:07 am
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somebody rang?? From my last post in 2008

build took as long as i thought it would. ages. so yeh ended up ditching the osgiken and got a Custom twin plate made for me. didnt end up tubbing just replaced the front end, painted it and painted the car redid pretty much everything in the car...

lol well long story. have i cracked 300kw no not yet. had a bearing seeze the engine while it was on the dyno(got the car finished with the ca all done last august)... devo. since then ive had the bottom end redone (new bearings, new crank, line bored, balanced.) Did alot of work on it heres a pic. Ceramic coated the trust exhaust manifold, custom twin plate, rb25 box, redid everything with braided lines etc etc.

Anyways i was over it. not the ca just not driving my car. so i had the bottom end fixed up while i built the track cars engine(sr20det) and dropped all the track gears stuff in my car(GT2871r), and all of my engine gear and drive line is going into the track car (ca, rb box etc etc) so that we have a more track orientated setup in the track car.

So yeh long story short, ca is sitting at the workshop waiting on me to put it into our track car. My car is back on the road and looking better than ever

EViL80E - Fri May 06, 2011 10:47 pm
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very impressive nice work :DDDD

Kurtis